In that case from the lineup I posted previously I'd promote Lilley to the starting 13 and just add Mullally to the bench and have a 4 forward bench against Hull rather than have Golding on the bench as it really didn't work last week.

Agree. His return/influence hasn't showed any improvements in us whatsoever.

And yet every other club has been injury free

Even before all the injuries we were crap apart from maybe the Warrington game.
We were crap when most of the injuries healed up and our pivots who should be controlling the game and at least putting us in a position to get a result failed miserably.
Other teams have had injuries and coped and that includes the likes of Wigan, Catalans, Warrington and to some extent Hull.
Didn`t Cas beat us with half their team missing earlier in the year?
Whichever way we look to dress up our miserable season even the most die hard Rhino has to now admit we have completely failed as a team this year.
As they say the table does not lie.
We are bottom of the pile even with some very average teams above us.

Yh just relooked at the 19 man squad thought i saw him in there but my eyes played tricks hope the rumour is true bout ellis though

Sutcliffe
Handley
Watkins
Moon
Hall
McGuire
Lilley
Galloway
Segeyaro
Garbutt
Jjb
Ablett
Singleton

Cuthbertson
Burrow
Delaney
Keinhorst

Hull have a massive pack and Burrow off the bench at hooker could cause them some problems, much more so than if he starts at 7.

I don't think our pack is any bigger than yours is it? pritchard isn't playing anyway and probably ellis. Our pack does look a lot fitter and more effective than yours but I still expect we'll struggle tomorrow night and wouldn't be surprised if you won

You obviously haven't seen much of us this season Jake

I'm also expecting a Leeds win tomorrow night regardless of where the teams are on the league table. Never fancy ourselves against you, and if rumours are true that Ellis is missing then that makes our task even harder!

Four points in it either way.

I saw you when you were worse than you are now and you still beat us

I'd be surprised if McGuire plays, was in a protective boot a day or so ago.

I'd go:
1. Sutcliffe
2. Handley
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
6. Lilley
7. Burrow
8. Galloway
9. Segeyaro
10. Cuthbertson
11. Keinhorst
12. Ablett
13. JJB

14. Achurch
15. Delaney
16. Singleton
17. Garbutt

Our esteemed coach has already confirmed that Mags is out and possibly not just for this week either

sooo, any of you planning on coming over tonight? Chav Corner has typically been an excuse not to come, but you wont have to deal with that anymore, so perhaps it could mean a few more coming over?

It's raining at the moment but supposed to be bright and ok later so hopefully we can avoid the awful game that was played at Headingley

I am coming. I have no thought what so ever of even coming close to winning, as our team is a shambles. But I just want to see Segeyaro play, and it is for him and him alone that I will make the journey and pay the money.

I will be there but cant say I have any confidence. Never miss.

Guys - i don't think we will beat you. Looking down your side, there is class all the way down it. Class is permanent, form is temporary - albeit, yours has gone on for 21 rounds!

Your post has been proven ridiculous time and time again this season. We don't have the class you seem to think we have. We lost that, with the players who left, the players who were making others look better than they are. I just can not see when I look down that squad list what it is you are seeing.

Yes we have two or three class players, but they can not show it without the pivots of the team working properly, and that is where we are seriously lacking to other super league clubs. Hopefully Segeyaro will make up for a lot of that in a key role.

Sutcliffe - Good potential, but maybe not a full back
Handley - after a shaky WCC game, he appears to be a dangerous attacking player
Watkins - quality
Moon - qulaity
Hall - strong carrier from back field, not as quick as he used to be but still a good finisher
McGuire - shaky season, but still a thorn in our side
Lilley - directed you to your win over us earlier this year
Galloway - NRL veteran prop
Segeyaro - classy hooker, good enthusiasm who will bring forwards onto the ball and dangerous scooting from dummy half
Garbutt - capable of 1 or 2 good drives a game
Jjb - he has gone, i will give you this one
Ablett - underrated player
Singleton - good player who tackles with impact

Cuthbertson - offload king
Burrow - everyone knows about him
Delaney - solid grafter, everyone needs one
Keinhorst - unused bench player


You have a good side, who on their day can grab a win against anyone - especially an out of form (with ball in hand) Hull FC side

So we don't have class all the way down it. We have Watkins, Moon, and now Segeyaro who can be described as class. Then we have Garbutt, Cuthbertson, and to a degree Galloway, who can be extremely good on a given day. The rest no longer come close to the class you were talking of, but for a couple of potential.

So do you deem Hull to have more 'class' than Leeds then - who would you class in that category?

Not particularly no. I think they have better average players than Leeds. But Super League is poor this year, and the quantity of players who can be described as class is very low. But in terms of consistently good, you have a higher quantity of players than we do, this season certainly.

Just to weigh in on the debate. Hull's "quality" players, the ones that really make is tick and would get a gig at any club imo would be: Shaul, Ellis, Minichiello, Taylor, Houghton. But the reason we have done so well and the reason we have found ways to win so often is that there is very little filler in the team. There isn't really a weak link anywhere, they aren't all superstars but they are all good players who belong at top 4 level.

The game seems to be going like all the others, Glad we learned from those defeats..

We just seem to melt defensively - how many times have teams just walked though us this year? Promising from Segeyaro though, and Jimmy's taken his tracksuit off this week

Well at least you can't fault our ability to score first, think that's 9 games on the trot.