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Definitely Christopher. Lui is doing a solid job, does look very decent at times but it’s not enough to spring us forward to being title contenders. A class 6 would be very much welcome over the next season or so
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I think we are in a reality check of where we currently are. There have been some strong performances this year and one outstanding one against Wigan. The club has clearly moved on but is still some way short of contending consistently as the best team in the competition which should be our ambition. Clearly we need another top class meter making prop who brings a bit of an intimidation factor and then happy with the back up in the pack with potential of the young players. 6 for me is a problem and I do not routinely like criticising individual players There is talent and ability in Lui but to me he is not fit and plays at best at 75% (ccsf excepted) this creates problems for our outside backs against good teams as they slide their defence closing down space. With an organising half back like gale we need a 6 who can put people into space but also challenge the defence by taking on the line. Lui could potentially be that player talent wise but not the version we are currently seeing.
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Think weve done well this year and are on the right path again at least. Think we all can see that a couple of top class players in key positions and we will really be back in business.
Ive nothing against Lui, he came in when club was struggling and has helped the club. We are a better team when he plays i think but a top class pacy 6 would take us up another notch. A top prop also would help. The youngsters will get better too over next 12 months.
In terms of Agar ive always thought we need him to do what Powell did, stabilise the club and develop players and i think hes doing exactly that.
Whether club has the funds to add to the group with real quality we will see but lets not forget the club is heading in the right direction again.
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Candidly the last game Leeds were excellent was against Wigan in the semi final. We won the challenge cup but did not play great. I think we need to accept that players are human beings, and we have had little or no rest for weeks. Maybe we should just call it a day this season and let the guys have a rest. They need a break.
I had a go last night of one of the people who was there. I blamed Agar for the team he picked, he rightly pointed out 6 games in 17 days, and with hindsight he should have mixed up the team with bringing in more kids. The RFL have helped no one with how the league is panning out. they should immediately cancel the games that are left, have a two week break and start whatever end of season tournament. If you cant play the game due to covid you lose the game.
Regards the players i thought Lui played OK last night, he was never going to be a long term fix but did OK. we was short in the forwards last night, they were out on their feet in the first half. I do have some concerns with Leeming and Mellor they are not playing well but maybe we are being too hard on them. We have the challenge cup, I am not bothered about the Covid trophy, lets wait until next season and see what happens.
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Wonder how many fans would want the Top 4 playoff extending if we was 4th? Seem to be hearing plenty of 'lets end the season and extend the playoffs'
Surely if people wanted the season over a shorter playoff would be better?
Maybe im being mischievous here tho.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Wonder how many fans would want the Top 4 playoff extending if we was 4th? Seem to be hearing plenty of 'lets end the season and extend the playoffs'
Surely if people wanted the season over a shorter playoff would be better?
Maybe im being mischievous here tho.'"
I’d say finish the season and have a top 4 or 6 playoff even if we weren’t involved, all players of all teams are getting flogged
Well maybe not the Catalan players.
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Warrington have had a really nice rest as well. They’re in good shape heading into the business end. Season can finish for me and playoffs beginning with or without us
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| Quote ="Trebor1"Warrington have had a really nice rest as well. They’re in good shape heading into the business end. Season can finish for me and playoffs beginning with or without us'"
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I would be tempted to partner Gale and Mclelland in the remaining games.Lui is contracted for next season so i dont see us going for a 6.Lets see how Mclelland goes with with an experienced half and our best pack.
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Even if we did make the play offs we would most likely be too knackered anyway.
Let the top 3 go into a mini league top team crowned champions.
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| Quote ="chapylad"Even if we did make the play offs we would most likely be too knackered anyway.
Let the top 3 go into a mini league top team crowned champions.'"
Stick with the top four for me.
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Winning at Wembley is a massive emotional drain as much as physical.
In 2014 With a much stronger side we lost all 4 matches post Wembley to end the season
In 2015, we lost 3 in a row post Wembley until the they think it’s Hall over try.
Last year wire lost 7/8 SL games around the semi and final including to us in last match.
With Covid and more games thrown it’s no wonder this lesser side looks knackered.
We are down to 3 props one being Holroyd Who is 19, Mik is still 21.
Wigan have g Burgess, clubb , flower, partington, Byrne, bullock, Clark and Havard. That’s 8.I might have missed one as well.
We are running on fumes.
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Pitt’s, Koppy, Gwaze isolating still for wakey.
Ashurst, Gigot, Brough, Arundel and Kaye season ending injuries. Possibly Navarette too.
Kirmond and Atkins I think may have left the club early but not sure.
Johnstone, Tupou, Lyne, Jowitt all being rested on Sunday.
15 players rested or not available and a lot of young lads in Croft, Bailey, bowes, Aydin look like they could get a run or make debuts.
Could be a good chance for Leeds to make amends but I’m hoping some fresh legs on the wakey team despite the inexperience will help us do the double.
Hopefully it will be a good game. Gutted I might not be able to watch it.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"
Could be a good chance for Leeds to make amends but I’m hoping some fresh legs on the wakey team despite the inexperience will help us do the double.
Hopefully it will be a good game. Gutted I might not be able to watch it.'"
Pretty much what we should have done last night by playing some of the younger lads alongside those that were able to tie up their boots after the Cas game.
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| Quote ="chapylad"Pretty much what we should have done last night by playing some of the younger lads alongside those that were able to tie up their boots after the Cas game.
If we go with the same as last night despite you resting some players we will still get beat.'"
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| Quote ="Mark Laurie"Winning at Wembley is a massive emotional drain as much as physical.
In 2014 With a much stronger side we lost all 4 matches post Wembley to end the season
In 2015, we lost 3 in a row post Wembley until the they think it’s Hall over try.
Last year wire lost 7/8 SL games around the semi and final including to us in last match.
With Covid and more games thrown it’s no wonder this lesser side looks knackered.
We are down to 3 props one being Holroyd Who is 19, Mik is still 21.
Wigan have g Burgess, clubb , flower, partington, Byrne, bullock, Clark and Havard. That’s 8.I might have missed one as well.
We are running on fumes.'"
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Someone mentioned about expanding the playoffs. Let's go with top 5 and "expand" it back to what it originally was before they reduced it. Maybe once it's top 5 it can be reduced to top 3 before the end.
They don't have a clue what they're doing and the season now is an uneven unfair rabble of crap.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Someone mentioned about expanding the playoffs. Let's go with top 5 and "expand" it back to what it originally was before they reduced it. Maybe once it's top 5 it can be reduced to top 3 before the end.
They don't have a clue what they're doing and the season now is an uneven unfair rabble of crap.'"
I agree , the fixture back log for us is beyond ridiculous as is how its been played out.
Warrington havent played for a fortnight yet we've played 4 times & are due to play again tomorrow.
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Cant really get my head round how we are playing 4 and 5 games while some teams havent played a game in that time.
Catalans have a full time squad, a reserve team that plays in the French league, a youth set up and can surely drag players in on loan from any French club to cobble 17 players together. Why the hell arent they playing? Weve basically thrown games with kids teams to fulfill fixtures.
Why cant Cas play reserve players, youth players and loan from any of the Championship and League One players that arent playing just to get games played?
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Cant really get my head round how we are playing 4 and 5 games while some teams havent played a game in that time.
Catalans have a full time squad, a reserve team that plays in the French league, a youth set up and can surely drag players in on loan from any French club to cobble 17 players together. Why the hell arent they playing? Weve basically thrown games with kids teams to fulfill fixtures.
Why cant Cas play reserve players, youth players and loan from any of the Championship and League One players that arent playing just to get games played?'"
I don’t know Leeds situation but the reason Wakey have had a more congested last few weeks than most goes way back to pre lock down. At that point we were 3 games in hand on some teams, games that had to be played. Three doesn’t sound a lot but when games are already compressed then it gets really hard.
If it was similar with you plus a cup run that’s why I suppose. The Catalan one is odd but maybe there is an element of French law involved that trumps anything from the RFL?
Just write the season off, I have. You did well to get a CCup but be honest it won’t be one that rides high in your memories in years to come. Ditto the title, Saints will win it but all but the most blinkered of their fans will consider it a fairly hollow victory.
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The challenge cup win of this year will be fondly remembered for many years to come due to how far off we were 18 months ago along with a very memorable win over Wigan in the semi.
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We have just had Batchelor and Crowther drop from the 21 too through injury.
Looks like Leeds will be facing a very different Wakefield team with a lot of young players in.
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Ashurst
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Wood
Not sure about Kirmond and Atkins but may have already left.
With at least 14 players missing including the full back line and starting second rowers and 9 I will be suprised if we win this one.
With all the young lads in too it’s massively in Leeds favour this one.
Not that you’d think that with the media reports pre match about how Leeds are doing it tough.
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I'm surprised the concept of a double header wasnt considered. We could have played Cas and Wakey with 4 points on offer instead of 2, rather than play them twice in a week.
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Rhinos Hang On For Narrow Win Over Trinity
After a fantastic 30-4 victory for Wakefield Trinity over the Leeds Rhinos on Thursday evening, the two sides met again in a re-arranged round eleven game at the Mobile Rocket Stadium in Wakefield.
Both coaches made a raft of changes to their starting line-ups and benches, most notably the Rhinos were without captain Luke Gale who was rested.
Wakefield were slight favourites with the bookies, the Rhinos given a two-point start on the coupon, possibly as a response to last week’s loss, and possibly a reflection of the number of changes that coach Agar had made. Leeds needed the win to maintain their push for the top four, should tomorrow’s meetings require such a finish to make the play-offs.
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Rhinos Hang On For Narrow Win Over Trinity
After a fantastic 30-4 victory for Wakefield Trinity over the Leeds Rhinos on Thursday evening, the two sides met again in a re-arranged round eleven game at the Mobile Rocket Stadium in Wakefield.
Both coaches made a raft of changes to their starting line-ups and benches, most notably the Rhinos were without captain Luke Gale who was rested.
Wakefield were slight favourites with the bookies, the Rhinos given a two-point start on the coupon, possibly as a response to last week’s loss, and possibly a reflection of the number of changes that coach Agar had made. Leeds needed the win to maintain their push for the top four, should tomorrow’s meetings require such a finish to make the play-offs.
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