Yeah, I like the way the guy sets up his side to play. Seems able to overcome a fair bit of adversity whereas Powell apparently cannot. Wane would be a gamble in so far as if he didn't turn things around in 10mins - and there's no precedent to say he would - then Headingley would be like a morgue. Smith would be given a bit more latitude in terms of getting things right on account of what he did for us in the past while an Australian of decent pedigree would be shown a bit of patience too.

This.

Of course it wasn't a quick fix at Wigan... he was coaching (not head coach) for the first time, so still learning his trade, and as you say, developing under Maguire. I imagine he is a bit better now than he was when he started about 10 years ago....
And regarding his foray into Yawnion, he possibly did it for the money, and hates it, or dislikes the class divide, or doesn't eat haggis!! Sir Kev went to union but didn't stay to the end of his contract, if I remember...? Did he return because he wasn't succeeding, so should be treated the way you want Wane treated??

If this is true then Sinfield should have backed him rather than sack him. The players need to man up and do whatever the coach tells them (whoever that coach might be). Their lousy performances have got us into this position-even though the squad isn’t great, it is massively underachieving.

100% agree

100% agree

We actually believed the spin in 2016 about the reason for the relegation scrap was lack of training facilities due to the flood.then we won the 2017 GF after finishing a mediocre 2nd. Then two more terrible seasons .this team is what it is Poor ! Best coach in the world wont get much out of this group ,maybe the odd first half then collapse in the second . Sinfield knows more about the game than me ,but his pre match interview showed how worried he is

The team is poor for sure, but the problem isn't so much the individuals but the complete lack of team effort. Agar alluded to it - no lack of effort when individuals are driving the ball in, but the lack of work off the ball in attack and defence just show they aren't working together as a unit at all. Add in our lack of kicking game and general control from halfback and we'll struggle to beat any SL side.

The onus is on the players - they can't fix ability but they sure as hell can fix effort. Agar's sole focus running up to the London game has to be around getting the team to somehow gel better. That might mean dropping some player(s) who seem to be doing better than others, but if the team works better sobeit. Right now its about doing whatever it takes.

Good post.

For me there is only one man - Tony Smith.

He has taken time away from the game and he should come back with renewed energy but he needs to be free of the likes of GH/RA & KS to manage the day to day of the first team. He needs his own coaching/conditioning team around him and he needs to create a siege mentality around that group.

Not for me. Never go back. It needs something completely new now. And GH is the main one who needs to go.

Is that the same Tony Smith you wanted sacked last time he was here?

Smith fell out of love with the game. Not for me unless hes got his mojo back.

He's not the only one, i know so many people who just have turned their back on the game in last 4-5 years, my interest for the game waned about 4-5 years ago also, i don't really watch other games anymore, and i hardly used to miss any on Tv. watch the odd Nrl game now and sky plus when Leeds game are on.

So for me if Leeds do get relegated that's it for me i will stop following the game, i will just walk away and take my sky subscription with me as that's all a get it for. Buts that's another story, for a another thread.

Yes, time moves on - it was obvious at the time that things had gone stale and a change was needed. He will at least get the basics correct i.e. goal line defence.

It's going to be Richard Agar or a young coach such as James Ford or Marshall. All the names mentioned Wane, Powell and Smith etc arent going to take orders and it therefore wouldn't work.

Its Agar's job to lose.

Agar has made it clear he doesn't want it. Very clear.

I have been saying for last couple of years this is my last, pretty much for the same reasons. The game is absolute terrible over here. The officials have took this game so far backwards with the rules they apply, taken everything good out of the game, and can not open their eyes to blatent cheating. Silly thing is, I honestly think the game would improve massively just by one simply rule change. In fact scratch that as not even a change, just simply applying the rules. If they enforced the rule of playing a ball with your foot after standing up, then there would be zero interference at play the balls, zero cheating, and make it far easier to officiate. This in turn would make the teams start to concentrate on skills to get an edge, instead of penalty's.

I also used to be able to watch several games in a day. Now I can't even watch one match on Sky fully. The Summer bash was a bit of fresh air in that it was something different with the teams. But that was just a novelty.

I much prefered Junior rugby over the last few years, but now son has stopped, don't even get involved with that anymore. The game here needs taking by the scruff of the neck and really rebuilt.

pretty much the same for me, i get that refs make mistakes and i get they miss things or see it different, i also get that we view the game with blinkers when its live, and often release after another viewing at home that they got it right. But all the above you say is so true its all about who con cheat the most, players have always tried to cheat but its gone to a whole other level. Its not just that its the constant swapping and changing formats and gimmick fixture lists. Franchising was the way forward but nobody had the guts to follow it through. only watch Leeds Now not interested in the game overall anymore. I used to consider my self an Rl supporter now i just support a team.

I barely watch. I watch Leeds games on sky but whereas I rarely missed a sky game I hardly ever watch now.
the standard is poor and the refs make it worse

The refs are rubbish, for me its not so much the big calls that everybody remembers, its the tedius penaltys that march teams up and down the field, you can see them desperate to blow the whistle. Kendals the worst, cant stand him, ruins every game iv seen him ref, the look of achievement on his stupid little weasel face when he blows his whistle is infuriating. Theres no getting into an arm wrestle anymore, more or less guaranteed to be a penalty within a couple of sets. Watching a lot of NRL, the same minor things that get blown up for here are let go there, and the games miles better for it.

NRL they all play the ball properly too. Why can they do it? Why can the junior game do it? And yet our professionals, none of them do it.

The game has definitely gone backwards over here in the last 4 or so years. A lot of changes needed starting with 2 refs. Anyways that's for another thread.

What a bunch of miseries you are.

Yeah the only reason I go is I like to go for a beer afterwards on a Friday