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| Quote ="ThePrinter"This is probably the biggest issue though. Will they get rid of players and bring in the ones McDermott wants?
When you think of the type of player that personifies McDermott's spell it's one that reads 'experience, workhorse, leader'.....you look at the squad he's got now and it's depleted on all those things. Rumours of players he didn't want to keep like Burrow. Rumours of players he wanted to sign such as an experienced HB.
I'm pretty sure McDermott would've wanted to keep Aiton here but GH didn't make that happen. I'm also pretty sure that Falloon wouldn't have even made his Top 10 of potential replacements. A fan of workhorse 2nd rowers I'd suggest he wasn't the one who wanted Achurch. He's not a huge fan of throwing young lads in especially in key positions so I doubt he wanted Sutcliffe as Sinfield's replacement but was a more experienced option bought? No, and just like Burrow staying because GH said so this seems more like a GH approved squad than a BM preferred one.
And if you've not got the squad you wanted then no wonder cracks start to appear. GH will know what type of player/squad make-up McDermott would like and either should've given him it or replaced him earlier with a coach who saw it like GH did.
I think if McDermott had his way we'd be lining up like this right now....
6 - McGuire
7 - Gale
9 - Aiton
Instead we have Hetherington's - Sutcliffe, McGuire, Burrow/Falloon'"
To say he has no influence on retention/recruitment is way off the mark ask the likes of Ben Cross Kyle Amor Clarkson Mullally etc EVERY ONE of em & more Mc.D had a say in as he did with Galloway & the final ok on Falloon.
GH sorts the contracts & uses his contacts to identify targets but the Coach has plenty of say.
Finally re-Aiton he pulled the trigger on his departure by playing the Club off v Catalans offer GH just doesn't negotiate like that.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Rumour now that Furner is on way to take over.'"
I hope so as i don't want to lose the man that would definitely change your club around in Powell
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"This is probably the biggest issue though. Will they get rid of players and bring in the ones McDermott wants?
When you think of the type of player that personifies McDermott's spell it's one that reads 'experience, workhorse, leader'.....you look at the squad he's got now and it's depleted on all those things. Rumours of players he didn't want to keep like Burrow. Rumours of players he wanted to sign such as an experienced HB.
I'm pretty sure McDermott would've wanted to keep Aiton here but GH didn't make that happen. I'm also pretty sure that Falloon wouldn't have even made his Top 10 of potential replacements. A fan of workhorse 2nd rowers I'd suggest he wasn't the one who wanted Achurch. He's not a huge fan of throwing young lads in especially in key positions so I doubt he wanted Sutcliffe as Sinfield's replacement but was a more experienced option bought? No, and just like Burrow staying because GH said so this seems more like a GH approved squad than a BM preferred one.
And if you've not got the squad you wanted then no wonder cracks start to appear. GH will know what type of player/squad make-up McDermott would like and either should've given him it or replaced him earlier with a coach who saw it like GH did.
I think if McDermott had his way we'd be lining up like this right now....
6 - McGuire
7 - Gale
9 - Aiton
Instead we have Hetherington's - Sutcliffe, McGuire, Burrow/Falloon'"
Honestly, what is it with you? You vilify people for posting rumours & things they've heard "in the know", yet then claim (above) you know that BMD has wanted certain players into the club, but GH has refused him. Do you have any proof of this? Have you heard from any "insider" that this is so?
Or is it that, having hung your hat on "Mr McDermott isn't the problem here", you are desperately trying to find anything that might possibly lead others to believe that this might indeed be the case?
Just accept that sometimes you get it wrong & that BMD is not the man to take us into the future.
I have just had a look into the near future. BMD will get replaced & his successor will lose his first game in charge & The Printer & Juan will be on here saying "I told you so"
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| Furner? Winner of just six games in his final season at Canberra, a season in which they finished second from bottom? With a 43% win percentage in the NRL as a head coach?
Perfect replacement for McDermott if true. Another with a connection to the senior players who'll do exactly what the CEO tells him to.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Furner? Winner of just six games in his final season at Canberra, a season in which they finished second from bottom? With a 43% win percentage in the NRL as a head coach?
Perfect replacement for McDermott if true. Another with a connection to the senior players who'll do exactly what the CEO tells him to.'"
43% win percentage would have been enough to avoid the middle eights. Progress!
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| Quote ="William Eve"Yorks 9/301 at the close of play.
Lancashire's day.'"
Pretty even in my book, Lancs batting isn't the strongest in the division.
From 29-4 I'm sure we'd all have taken 301-9 at the close.
The lack of the toss means that Yorks will nearly always have to bat first at Headingly if there's any cloud cover.
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| Furner was seen as a disaster at the Raiders. If we were going ex-Leeds players I'd go for Dunemann. However, since that shouldn't matter one jot, I'd be looking at a Brian Smith type for this year followed by a review with all key positions potentially up for grabs (I'm looking at you conditioning/fitness staff) and hopefully a fresh start for next year with a new ambitious coach.
Alternatively right now I'd consider giving Smith (or whoever) the job for the whole of next year as well, to give continuity but also give him a remit that all that matters is survival this year and getting into the top 8 next year, plus revamping junior development etc. Daniel Anderson might be available as well.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Furner was seen as a disaster at the Raiders. If we were going ex-Leeds players I'd go for Dunemann. However, since that shouldn't matter one jot, I'd be looking at a Brian Smith type for this year followed by a review with all key positions potentially up for grabs (I'm looking at you conditioning/fitness staff) and hopefully a fresh start for next year with a new ambitious coach.
Alternatively right now I'd consider giving Smith (or whoever) the job for the whole of next year as well, to give continuity but also give him a remit that all that matters is survival this year and getting into the top 8 next year, plus revamping junior development etc. Daniel Anderson might be available as well.'"
Would rather have Buderus if going for ex Leeds. Well would rather have Buderus anyway. As long as not an ex prop though would be great.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Would rather have Buderus if going for ex Leeds. Well would rather have Buderus anyway. As long as not an ex prop though would be great.'"
For me i'll be happy if as long as we have a solid staff structure i.e Head Coach 1xAttack & 1xDefence Coaches throw Sinny in for the Kicking role that'd do me.
The 2 assist then also take charge of a reserve grade side in consultation with the u19 Coach.
Then id like a seperate Acadamy DOR who also Coaches the u19's.
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| On what basis would you want Buderus? Is there any evidence of him being any good as a coach?
There's always a big risk IMO in getting in someone who played alongside current players.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"On what basis would you want Buderus? Is there any evidence of him being any good as a coach?
There's always a big risk IMO in getting in someone who played alongside current players.'"
Because I think him and Sinfield (also played alongside current players) will make a great team structure throughout the club. Fully professional, intelligent, exemplary individuals who were at the very top of the game. Sinfield running everything outside of the first team, but also assisting Buderus, and Buderus full control of first team. The changes will take a couple of years anyway to start to take effect. Let them grow together.
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| Isn't that just randomly picking a couple of names from the hat? There's no evidence Buderus is a good coach or administrator (yet) and even less that Sinfield is. There's also the issue of whether it might be better to go for someone from outside the club if you want to shake things up. Would Sinfield be able to tell the likes of JJB and Burrow that their time is up?
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Isn't that just randomly picking a couple of names from the hat? There's no evidence Buderus is a good coach or administrator (yet) and even less that Sinfield is. There's also the issue of whether it might be better to go for someone from outside the club if you want to shake things up. Would Sinfield be able to tell the likes of JJB and Burrow that their time is up?'"
Sinfield wouldn't need to tell them, Buderus would. A job that should have allready been handled by the too big hearted CEO. The question is whether both would want the job, not whether up to it. Of course they are both more than up to it, a potential great duo.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Isn't that just randomly picking a couple of names from the hat? There's no evidence Buderus is a good coach or administrator (yet) and even less that Sinfield is. There's also the issue of whether it might be better to go for someone from outside the club if you want to shake things up. Would Sinfield be able to tell the likes of JJB and Burrow that their time is up?'"
Powell did it to half the team he won a CC final playing alongside & there's no evidence Sinfield wouldn't either.
On that point though im also sure Jjb & Burrow are honest enough to know whethet their time is up or not or even that their minutes will naturally reduce.
Also it could depend what type of Contract was on offer im sure Jjb only has till the end if this year anyway & does RB have another year?
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| Quote ="Old Feller"Pretty even in my book, Lancs batting isn't the strongest in the division.
From 29-4 I'm sure we'd all have taken 301-9 at the close.
The lack of the toss means that Yorks will nearly always have to bat first at Headingly if there's any cloud cover.'"
It's overcast for large parts of today according to the weather forecast, so you may be right.
Without Bairstow in the ranks, I'm not confident that Yorkshire will retain their CC title this year. Top order batsmen are too fragile and don't get enough runs. Same applied last year. I lost count of the number of times early wickets were lost prior to Bairstow coming to the rescue.
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| Quote ="William Eve"It's overcast for large parts of today according to the weather forecast, so you may be right.
Without Bairstow in the ranks, I'm not confident that Yorkshire will retain their CC title this year. Top order batsmen are too fragile and don't get enough runs. Same applied last year. I lost count of the number of times early wickets were lost prior to Bairstow coming to the rescue.'"
Lancs 68-4, still 240 behind and the ball doing plenty by all accounts. Got a long tail as well with Tom Bailey at 8 and Neil Wagner at 9.
Couple more quick wickets and Yorkshire might have half a chance of making them follow on.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Lancs 68-4, still 240 behind and the ball doing plenty by all accounts. Got a long tail as well with Tom Bailey at 8 and Neil Wagner at 9.
Couple more quick wickets and Yorkshire might have half a chance of making them follow on.'"
Another wicket just fallen.
Lancs 7/92
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| And this is a Yorkshire attack without the left-arm variation of Sidebottom and Willey too.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"And this is a Yorkshire attack without the left-arm variation of Sidebottom and Willey too.'"
Indeed.
The fall of recent wickets is surprising.
The sun is out!
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| Quote ="son of headingley"Honestly, what is it with you? You vilify people for posting rumours & things they've heard "in the know", yet then claim (above) you know that BMD has wanted certain players into the club, but GH has refused him. Do you have any proof of this? Have you heard from any "insider" that this is so?'"
Read it again carefully. I don't claim I KNOW he wanted certain players, I suggested some players/position in which I think he would've wanted someone else to what we've got.
Everybody knows Falloon was only signed because he was the only hooker left without a club for this season.
The anger from some just because someone doesn't place all the blame on McDermott really shows up their long running dislike of the guy.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Read it again carefully. I don't claim I KNOW he wanted certain players, I suggested some players/position in which I think he would've wanted someone else to what we've got.
Everybody knows Falloon was only signed because he was the only hooker left without a club for this season.
The anger from some just because someone doesn't place all the blame on McDermott really shows up their long running dislike of the guy.'"
Im sure McDermott wants Sam Burgess, Inglis, Thurston, Scott and Farah should GH go get them for him cos he wants them????
Wonder if any coach in history of RL has always got the players they want everytime???
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Im sure McDermott wants Sam Burgess, Inglis, Thurston, Scott and Farah should GH go get them for him cos its wants he wants them????'"
Nice hyperbole. But plenty of hookers and HB's in he game who would be realistic targets instead of Falloon and going with Sutcliffe who was also coming off a serious knee injury.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Nice hyperbole. But plenty of hookers and HB's in he game who would be realistic targets instead of Falloon and going with Sutcliffe who was also coming off a serious knee injury.'"
But as you said we got Falloon cos he was only hooker available
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"But as you said we got Falloon cos he was only hooker available'"
Only because we acted too late.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Only because we acted too late.'"
So you know who McDermott wanted and that Leeds didnt make a bid for anyone??? Fair play to you fella thats some inside knowledge that.
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