Why. Did it hurt him?

You mean the Andy Coley who, despite his team being on a warning for repeated infringements in a short space of time, decided to carry on and complete the tackle even though the ball had gone?

Coley has nobody to blame but himself - the binning wasn't for that incident in isolation, even a numpty like you must be able to grasp that concept?

On the Ablett incident, my first thought on initial viewing was that he had hit Tomkins high, but with the shoulder/upper arm (similar to Bailey on Fa'asavalu at Saints). It's clumsy, but the elbow wasn't raised into Tomkins' head and neither was the arm outstretched or swinging (Morley on Robbie Kearns for example).

It's clumsy, it's awkward but not malicious or intentional IMO. If you want to watch it again, do so with the sound off so Stevo's nonsense ramblings about it being some sort of horror challenge worthy of a life ban don't influence your opinions.

You seem to have listened to Stevo more than I have as I take no notic of him ever so I couldnt tell you what his opinion was!!
Your telling me Coleys challenge was that late he had chance to pull out!Hmm

And yes we were on a warning just as you were when JJB gave away a pen for leading with his foot into a tackle!! Again althougth it would have been stupid a yellow surely should have followed??

If Wigan fans moan this much when they win I dread to think what they'd be like had they lost.

Fekin muppets.

Coley's offence wasn't even a penalty in my view so obviously it can't be a valid sin-binning either.

The warning to Wigan was given out before half-time IIRC which made it look strange when it was followed through by the official. You don't often see that.

How long does a warning last 5 minutes, 10 minutes, longer than that?

When was the warning to Leeds given and when was the next penalty against them awarded?

Had sufficient time passed to get Leeds off the warning?

You were on holiday for the Challenge cup match wasn't you?



You should have had a look then.

I was yes and didnt bother ot catchup when I got back.

Bad was it? Whose fault was it?

It was the referees fault for sinbinning Farrell for a late bad challenge. It should never have been sinbinned apparently, despite the rules stating you are, and Leeds conned the ref.

By contrast Ablett is been lambasted for a challenge that wasn't late. It then just comes down to the debatable interpretation of whether it was foul play. Guilty until proven innocent in the pie eaters minds.

It was 5 mins between the warning and the next pen!! Like you say both were never sin binnings but Im not sure how a ref can follow through with 1 warning and not the next!

Ive no idea how long its lasts and Im pretty sure Mr Cummins couldnt tell you either!!! And thats whats making our game look silly IMO. Especially when Albert is allowing players to verbally abuse him and get away with it!!

Think your the only person who thought it wasnt then!!

Have I given my thoughts on the incident? I don't recall posting any? Just because you feel you and other Wigan fans feel your view is correct, does not mean it is.

I have already said above that I have not seen it again to be able to judge. I also don't believe what they see on sky on the night is enough to judge an incident like that.

What is good enough is what the disciplinary panel see, and I will accept whatever it is they decide. What is most relevant though is IA post on the other page.

So how do I find out what charge Grade 'C' will generate, which is what Ablett's been charged with
Bailey - No charge according to RFL site

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2-3 matches

2-3 games??? Is that all?? For fecks sake, that aint gunna be enough to satisfy the baying Weeeeegan mob.
There'll be riots down at Wigan Pier tonight. Pies will be thrown to the ground in disgust.
...and Ablett'll be back for the play offs, first game probably against Weeegan, so they've time to practice their "Booooooooooooooooo" noises

2-3 matches seems about right for me!! Oh and the Booooo noises are more commonly found at GPW Recruitment Stadium?

As Gotcha has said, excellent summary. He's been charged with reckless.

I wonder if any Wigan fans want to retract any of the bile they have posted? I won't be holding my breath.

Thanks both of you, we aim to please and all that!

Reckless Grade C is slightly higher than I anticipated, I was expecting Careless or Reckless Grade B.

I think he is going to cop a suspension more than likely now then. He will not get 3 because of his previous excellent record so bank on 1 for sure and possibly 2. I predict 1... which is s shame in some ways.

As you say, expect a flood of Wigan and other telling us that the review panel is clearly made up of misguided fools and it was clearly intentional and he clearly was aiming to break his jaw before he even left the changing room, never mind before he started the chase!

Tetchy Pie Eaters don't seem happy. Doubt it would take much trolling for the 'ban' button to be pressed over there.
Someone needs to explain the word 'reckless' to the Goon Muppets.

I think you are pretty much spot on with what you are predicting. We have to remember that this is only the review panels findings at the moment, and at this stage no other circumstances have been taken into account, other than viewing the tape.

Now the disciplinary panel need to sit down and watch it properly, and they will take into account Abletts version of events, and also his record, and the other usual things. They may actually change the grading whilst still finding guilty, or they may even not agree with the first findings.

You're assuming he'll be found guilty of the charge. I, personally am hoping he beats the rap. This place will be a scream

True, If I was the part of the team at Leeds I would be going into to the RFL tomorrow and pleading not guilty to Reckless but inferring that for Careless Grade A/B with a fine and no suspension they would plead guilty. If they give him any sort of suspension I would expect they will be back on Wednesday to appeal!

Watched it last night.
Reckless is probably the right word, fook knows what he thought he was doing.
2-3 matches would be right for me.

If he'd have got sent off i think they would have given him a 1 game ban or even sending off sufficient, but im thinking he will get a 2 game ban.

I didnt think he could get 1 as its a 2-3 game offence! I think he will get a 2 as he was reckless, just a shame that Stains will benefit!!

Ah fookwits.com

A, Look at the frame by frame slow mo
B, Mute Stevo.

Paused at the moment of impact Abletts arm is is tucked firmly into his chest.
Tomkins body is very low down after a good technique at defusing the bomb.
If Ablett is stood tall, arms tucked into his chest, not jumping into the tackle, not raising the forearm is there anything wrong with it? Ablett should have been more aware of the danger he did cause. He should have considered the body position that Tomkins will get himself into. But there was 0% malice what so ever. Clumbsy is absolutely spot on by Shaun Wane.