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| Good signing. We might not need and English international winger for 2014 but we'd regret not signing him if/when Hall and/or Watkins leave at the end of next season. No reason to believe BJB will have to make way in my opinion
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| BJB is the obvious choice to move on. After a pretty average season, his career at leeds appears to hit a plateau, and I think the lad would benefit from a move.
Of course, knowing that what we need is a hooker, and another couple of forwards, I wouldn't be too surprised at BMD moving Hall into the pack, and keeping Briscoe and BJB on the wings!
Quality signing though.
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| He'll need to spend the first two weeks or pre-season learning how to catch a pass from his centre after playing outside the Yeaman all this time.
Very nice
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| Why? Do we really need Briscoe, who is BMc going to leave out to play him? IMO BJB has been better than RH this year, but I would not swap either for Briscoe and surely we have cover for injuries in the U19's
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"BJB is the obvious choice to move on. After a pretty average season, his career at leeds appears to hit a plateau, and I think the lad would benefit from a move.
Of course, knowing that what we need is a hooker, and another couple of forwards, I wouldn't be too surprised at BMD moving Hall into the pack, and keeping Briscoe and BJB on the wings!
Quality signing though.'"
RH in the pack is not such a bad idea, he is slower this year and forgotten how to catch a high ball!
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| McClennan first pioneered Hall in the pack against bradford, at headingly, at easter in 2008.
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| Interesting, I don't remember that one! I,m sure there is a plan, just that we don't know what it is!
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"McClennan first pioneered Hall in the pack against bradford, at headingly, at easter in 2008.'"
And I've been saying it ever since. He has all the attributes to be devastating as a running pack man. People just don't want to let go due to how many tries he has scored on wing, which is replaceable with quality like Briscoe.
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| Quote ="DHM"Same here. High quality player, great to see him in a Leeds shirt.'"
Me too DHM, I think he will be a revelation in our backline and will score lots of tries given the service, He also brings a new dimension to our dummy half plays whilst we are inside our own half as he is a very strong and elusive runner
That's our Back line sorted now and for the foreseeable future too IF we can keep BJB
But as the original poster predicted, it was Briscoe in and BJB out, so i reckon that there could some truth in that after all, so our academy players are going to get the opportunity to step in, as they should too IMO
Let's see now how seamlessly GH handles replacing our front row and completes the clubs transition into the next decade.......Believe
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"BJB is the obvious choice to move on. After a pretty average season'"
Jeez fella , a bit harsh considering he missed half a season regaining fitness from a blood clot .
All in all didnt have that bad a year IMO .
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| The more I think about it the more it makes sense to put Hall in the second row. Maybe not fast enough for the wing but would have far too much pace in the pack. He could be our own version of SBW.
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| Quote ="chapylad"The more I think about it the more it makes sense to put Hall in the second row. Maybe not fast enough for the wing but would have far too much pace in the pack. He could be our own version of SBW.'"
Benny Westwood started life on the wing, I think Hall could do rather well playing in the natural 2nd row channel with a bit more beef on him.
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| So it's settled then. Beef hall up, move him into the pack and BJB and briscoe can be the wings.
Hell i think we should be running the show. Pulling all the strings while mcdermott man manages the players and delivers our instructions.
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| Just because he's big doesn't mean he'll make a good second row. I'd rather have a really good winger than another average second row. It would be a gamble
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| It seems we have a few more Nantwich Exiles on this board.
I've a really crazy idea, let's keep playing Ryan Hall on the wing.
Yeah, I know he's not solid under high kicks, doesn't make great yardage when we're working the ball out of our half, never had any stand out games at international level, nor made any 'world 13' team selections but surely I'm not the only one who has spotted some potential there that one day he'll make a damn fine winger?
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Benny Westwood started life on the wing, I think Hall could do rather well playing in the natural 2nd row channel with a bit more beef on him.'"
IIRC Westwood was a centre at Wakefield, then signed for Warrington as a centre.
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| Aye, let's take Hall from the wing - where he often has significant physical advantages over his immediate opposite - and put him in the second row where he can run at a load of other big lads.
Given his front on defence is probably the weakest aspect to his game, it's a ridiculous suggestion.
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| I think Hall, Briscoe & Charnley would all have scored the early try in the corner against Wigan where Thornley? bundled BJB into touch/lost the ball. That is the difference between an excellent SL winger & an international quality one.
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| Bollox to the second row.
Hall is already beefed up enough to play prop!
He needs to lose some beef in order to get back to where he was a year or two ago as a winger because he's been ordinary in 2013=#FF0000**
=#FF0000**I'm not a member of the Hall Fan Club who blames Moon for Hall's deficiencies.
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| But then we would be spared the pleasing sight of Billy Slater breaking his shoulder attempting a shoulder charge on Hall.
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| Its embarrassing when posters get all high and mighty that a player can not play anywhere but one position.
For a number of years now coaches have gone to pains to state that players need to be flexible in the modern game, and able to play various positions.
But no, let's just pigeon hole a winger as a winger and be done with.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Its embarrassing when posters get all high and mighty that a player can not play anywhere but one position.
For a number of years now coaches have gone to pains to state that players need to be flexible in the modern game, and able to play various positions.
But no, let's just pigeon hole a winger as a winger and be done with.'"
Some may be doing that, but some just have a different opinion to you. Hall is one of the best wingers in the game. He offers advantage over every other winger he plays against in SL, usually in multiple facets. When you do a match up against another team, its always a win in that column. Do you think he has the potential to reach that level as a second row? What attributes do people think he has which will see him excel in that role? I'm sure he'd be competant, good even, but would he be world class? If not, we'd be a world class player down IMO
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| Quote ="The Eagle"Some may be doing that, but some just have a different opinion to you. Hall is one of the best wingers in the game. He offers advantage over every other winger he plays against in SL, usually in multiple facets. When you do a match up against another team, its always a win in that column. Do you think he has the potential to reach that level as a second row? What attributes do people think he has which will see him excel in that role? I'm sure he'd be competant, good even, but would he be world class? If not, we'd be a world class player down IMO'"
Not when you have just recruited an equally world class player in his position.
Did people moan when Lockyer was moved from Fullback to Stand off? there are a number of posters on here calling for Sinfield to be moved to hooker (probably same ones questioning a move for Hall) yet he was the leagues best Loose forward, then moved to stand off.
Delaney came here as a centre, was moved to the backrow, and a lot of posters (probably the same ones questioning a move for Hall) that label him the new messiah.
Across the pond there have been a number of sucessful switches of backs (wingers mainly) into forward positions over the years.
If he plays there and it fails, then you know, but until that happens it is a perfectly reasonable switch to try.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Not when you have just recruited an equally world class player in his position.
Did people moan when Lockyer was moved from Fullback to Stand off? there are a number of posters on here calling for Sinfield to be moved to hooker (probably same ones questioning a move for Hall) yet he was the leagues best Loose forward, then moved to stand off.
Delaney came here as a centre, was moved to the backrow, and a lot of posters (probably the same ones questioning a move for Hall) that label him the new messiah.
Across the pond there have been a number of sucessful switches of backs (wingers mainly) into forward positions over the years.
If he plays there and it fails, then you know, but until that happens it is a perfectly reasonable switch to try.'"
Each case should obviously be judged on its' own merits. I see no reason to move Hall off the wing, a position he has excelled in at International level. I've not seen anything, from his running style or defensive technique, to suggest he'd be suited to the 2nd row.
Your reference to Sinfield is completely invalid, he'd played at stand off many times previously. He was never a conventional loose forward. He plays more or less the same role at 6 or 13. Besides, he was by far the worst meter making 13 in SL, I think one reason he was moved was to give us another running forward.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Its embarrassing when posters get all high and mighty that a player can not play anywhere but one position.
For a number of years now coaches have gone to pains to state that players need to be flexible in the modern game, and able to play various positions.
But no, let's just pigeon hole a winger as a winger and be done with.'"
I don't think anybody has ever Hall couldn't play another position, just that they don't think he should because he's already one of the best in his current one.
I think if he did play 2nd row he would go very well in attack, my concern would be defence and his tackling technique.
You could flip it 180 and say it's embarrassing that some are obsessed with players playing anywhere BUT their main position. If some got their way then the Leeds team would resemble Nathan Brown's Huddersfield team.
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