David - both halves are untouchable irrespective of form.

When was the last time McGuire was dropped when fully fit, despite some mediocre showings over the last couple of years? You could argue that the lack of alternatives has hamstrung the coach in previous seasons. That is clearly no longer the case.

I still think it's too early for Lilley. I'd like to see how he goes in open age rugby, maybe out in Champ One on loan somewhere the defences are a bit more wise and there are old heads who will try to take him off his game. Let him get some confidence under his belt of knowing he can cut it against "grown-ups" before moving him into SL.

As I said previously, McGuire looks a better player with Sinfield off the field. Do you sacrifice the captain's goal-kicking to bring Sutcliffe into the side, particularly when one of your other kicking options is currently busier doing house calls in Burley at 3am rather than concentrating on his game?

now your trolling your own forum. :lmfao

Penalty count 7-1 in favour of the Wolves.
Only in Bentham's world.
I did refer to him as hometown when I saw he was to be the ref.
I know he wasn't the sole reason we lost but he sure didn't harm their efforts.

Hardaker would have stopped Penny's try last night. Warrington might still have scored off the back of the move of course. No quibbles over losing.

Of the 'golden triumvirate' I have always previously advocated dispensing with McGuire first but at least he can still offer the possibilities of sometimes putting in a decent killer cut out/long pass ....I have to concede I am now becoming another who must question Sinfield's automatic selection. It's hard to conceive of a leeds side without its great captain when available, but of the 3 he might be just the one that should make way for Sutcliffe next match.

We will succed to a decent level this season despite "dad's army" if only because SL standards are anything but improving. Apart from Westwood there was nobody I would covet to any large degree from Warrington's performance last night.

You do have to wonder what Mulhern couldn't do that Kylie does in his 10 minute spells and it is becoming ever more obvious that both our pensioner props should be playing their last season. It is sad to see their decline
Maybe they can both raise their games for the odd match but on a week to week basis neither shoud be first choice any more. The transition and rebuilding should start with Singleton, Delaney and Cuthbertson being the starting props includng '3rd prop' at LF.

Anyone remember Daryl Powell holding his hands up, and actually telling the coaching team that we had better options for stand off than him, and he was finding it tough in the role at the stage of his career.

Of course Harris was the other option, but still that epitomised Powell.

To be fair to Sinny, he has already told the club he plans to retire at end of 2016, hence the Hardaker plans, but maybe it is catching up quicker than he thought.

Fair point about McGuire - personally I would like to see the young players brought the first team route rather than being farmed out to clubs where their participation is begrudged at best. At least the senior players should have a vested interest in protecting and guiding them something they will not get at the South Leeds Stadium.

It never did the members of the golden generation any harm and it could be argued they were being exposed to a much higher standard than the youngsters of today.

Let's hope the wheels don't come off that plan over the next few weeks.

Connotations of a possible P60 there rather than a P51D for sure

My view on last night performance.

I believe that we lost because of Moon’s premature departure. It disrupted our attacking options, defensive pattern and over all game plan.

Golding did well for his debut but was found out of position a couple of times and he has to realise he’s not in the U19’s anymore, sometimes the pass is a much better option than trying to dance round a very organised and effective defence.

A couple of really good kicks aside, Burrow didn’t offer much in attack and I’m starting to think that we might have better a better option in Sutcliffe.

Wire’s defence was one of the best I’ve seen for a while and I doubt that may teams would have put more than a handful of points past them.

Good spot

9 out of 10, but count the heads you'll see its a TF-51D

A few thoughts:

Wire deserved it, very committed in defence. Ben Westwood was magnificent.
Bentham was not magnificent but I can live with his performance. His decision to penalise Singleton was easily understandable even if he was incorrect.
Video refs are sh_it, improve the game by dispensing with them entirely.

Ash G did fine; his physical resemblance to BJB is maybe too close for comfort though and I expect there'll be defensive frailty somewhere down the line. Hope I'm wrong.

Aiton is doing the business and needs as much game time as poss. If Burrow is to play, let him come on from the bench for either Sinfield or McGuire, whichever happens to be playing worst. Or not come on at all if both are performing.

I understand the criticism of Peacock. Don't write him off just yet - do you really think our conditioners are daft enough to have him at peak fitness this early in the season??

Singleton is a revelation. Watkins looks twice the player he did for large parts of last season and both wingers look sharp.

As many have noted, wire were a cut above last night. Fear not; in super league a good performance is usually only the precursor of a horror show. We've as good a chance as anyone of trophies this year.

Victory over Phil Clarke's bum boys next week and last night will be forgotten, another defeat though, and people will be getting flashbacks to last season and our dismal record against the big teams in the weekly rounds. Our kicking game last night was again poor, 5 out of 6 kicks in the first half claimed in the air unchallenged, unacceptable if we have any pretentions to win anything. Sinny will only be getting in the team for his place kicking and reputation alone unless he can improve, and his choice and quality of pass will pretty soon get a team mate killed, McGuire is streets ahead in that respect. We missed Achurch offensively when chasing the game, neither Ward, JJB or Delaney have his bulk or dexterity from second row, and we obviously missed Zak in attack. Wire weren't fantastic, but we're good enough and made the best of the 50/50's in their favour. Bring on the pie munchers.

I never knew there was a training version TF-51.....and I also meant P45 not P60.



Perhaps Sinfield needs to be in there learning and honing some new skills in how to outperform the opposition. He certainly needs some help from somewhere.

Might have to reevaluate that one based on today's news

On Rooney being the England captain. He's captain because he's a Man United player, not because he has any skills of captaincy. Rooney, Ferdinand and Beckham have all captained England mainly because of the huge support that MU have in the media. Rooney's the Man United captain now, but only because all the real leaders have left United.

I'd say that most of England RL accepts that Sinfield has been a truly awesome captain for Leeds Rhinos, but as an England/GB player most were luke warm and I'd say ice cold to him being captain.

Hardaker as Leeds captain in the desire to make him be more responsible??? The answer to that is a resounding no. IMO even if he's 100% guilty of a serious crime I'd still back him as a Rhinos player. But I'd back Ronnie the Rhino to be the next Rhinos captain before Hardaker.

This having players that are deemed "untouchable" despite poor performances needs knocking on the head asap imo.
I said it last year as did others and i stand by the opinion that Kylie is done he's a passenger and should already be gone.
Thus far this year Sinfield goal kicks aside has had a decent 20 minutes v Widnes & an offload v Wire as positives the rest just isn't good enough to warrant automatic selection now.
Now don't get me wrong i know its only 5 games in but how long do you give players that aren't performing?
Whether the CEO & Coach accept it or not the ageing stars are on a downward spiral irrespective of what an idiot has done off the field.
There are players waiting on the fringes and options to try going forward if it doesn't work then the GH better blow the cob webs off the Cheque book.

spot on in every respect. you have to add the forward planning has been shocking

Good post rhinoms

One small aside, but in 30 years I've never seen any team play for 80 minutes without committing more than one offence worthy of a penalty. Assuming the 7-1 count is correct of course.

from memory I don't think the 7-1 was correct. I'm sure they were pinged for a high shot and an offside. I can only think that the 7-1 covered a period of the game.

Edit, - just checked SL website [urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/report/11053[/url and the penalty count was 7-5

referees usually even it out near the end by giving the losing side a few near the end

it was 6-1 until 15 minutes to go think? lol

Penalties were awarded in the following sequence to

W,L,W,W
H/T
W,W,L,W,L,L,W,L

IIRC in terms of low counts either Leeds or Salford once went 80 mins in a JP/Regal semi-final at Valley Parade without conceding any penalties.

Also a Hull FC - Leeds game at the KC where neither side conceded a penalty in the opening 40 minutes.

Remember that one also now and without needing to look it up it was Steve Ganson - letting everything go including the occasional head shot.