They haven’t got a goal kicker or a decent mangaing half

We won, you wouldn’t know it reading this forum.

I’ve seen us look very threatening in patches already in the two games. We need some flow and some of our bigger bodies in the pack, but I still think we’ll have a better season.

Really disappointed with the Mom sin bin. You can call it a shoulder charge maybe but the arm was raised and I just think it was a good shot.

I know. I left the ground thinking happy in the knowledge that I'd watched a competitive season opener where both sides showed promise. I now realise I saw another coaching catastrophe. Smith should do the decent thing and resign immediately before KR put 50 on us.

Some people say it as they see it and it may differ from you , yes we won but there are still major issues that have carried over from last year .

Of course people will disagree and are entitled to their opinion as am I, I'm just saying it as I see it aswell.

I disagree about’major’ issues and I think we will see a totally different type of team than last year, I think we already are seeing that.

For starters we 100% lose that game last year IMO.

Every team will be rusty this time of the year and I personally think wins are more important than performance at the start of the year, you can improve performance but you can’t get the two points back.

It’s actually preferable to build into the year, look at Warrington and Wigan respectively last year, but we need to be winning when not playing at our best, and we did that last night, which we haven’t managed to do for a few years.

I do think we’d have lost that game last year. That’s by far the biggest positive. Doesn’t by any means suggest I think things are hunky dory or we can rest on our laurels.

We’re ot going to get a clear picture on how we are going for a month or two imo. But what we do need to do is win games like last night when we aren’t playing to our potential, that makes a massive difference come the end of the year, as I say look at Wigan last year, they didn’t really start to shine until the second half of the season but they had won games playing poorly

interesting that Goudemand was seen as solid when he made 17M from 6 carries. He also made 26 tackles.

If we play the compare game (assuming Holroyd and McDonnell and gannon are fit and parcell doesn’t get a ban and hkr have everybody fit). They look like this

8. Sue
9. Litten
10. King
11. Hadley
12. Batchelor
13. Minichella

14. Parcell
15. Luckley
16. Whitbread
17. Tanginoa

We are

8. Mik
9. Ackers
10. Holroyd
11. McDonnell
12. Martin
13. Smith

14. O’Connor
15. Lisone
16. Sangare
17. Gannon

That is 10 players from a 17 and honestly I would pick possibly 2 out of that 10 from HKR over what we have.

So I just don’t get the comment. I think what you are trying to say (I will try and elucidate) is that you don’t like Smith, you don’t like his attitude, the way he sets his team up, the level of aggression he instills.

I will also go out in a limb and suggest you think we need bigger bodies, line bending props, big impact, rush défense and you want to see big hits and hard agressive play.

Won't happen Smith doesn't like aggressive players.

Yep, that’s kind of the point I was making. It isn’t the players that he, or you, don’t like. It is the coach.

So whatever we do, however we play, there will always be faults and they will be picked up. There will always be an issue, we win then don’t like how we play, we don’t win then we don’t win. We win and play well, our defence isn’t good enough, we concede too much down the middle and we need more aggression.

That Watts red card is an absolutely dreadful decision. We're on a slippery slope...

Agreed, a penalty and nothing more me. Also seemed like westerman was as at fault as watts so seemed a bit of pot luck.

Is that 4 reds and the same again in yellows in one round?

Complete tosh. If you mean doesn't like idiotic thuggish play as evidenced by Pele the other night, you're right. If you mean players who compete, like Goudemand and McDonnell, you are wrong. The sport doesn't have room for the "bonehead" anymore. Fans who hanker for them to return need to move on.

Disagree its a shoulder directly to the head, it’s a red card.

Same as micky macs in the cats game.

Similar to Mom last night for me, not a shoulder to the head but stepping across to shut the gap and cant get his arm wrapped around the ball carrier due to the supporting tackler. Hes made no play at the players head, very soft.

Quote ="Seth"Similar to Mom last night for me, not a shoulder to the head but stepping across to shut the gap and cant get his arm wrapped around the ball carrier due to the supporting tackler. Hes made no play at the players head, very soft.'" This is a good tweet to show it, he clearly hits him in the head with shoulder. It’s not like MOM’s tackle IMO, he leads with his shoulder. https://twitter.com/mikeyweal/status/17 ... 03033?s=46

Quote ="Seth"Similar to Mom last night for me, not a shoulder to the head but stepping across to shut the gap and cant get his arm wrapped around the ball carrier due to the supporting tackler. Hes made no play at the players head, very soft.'" This is a good tweet to show it, he clearly hits him in the head with shoulder. It’s not like MOM’s tackle IMO, he leads with his shoulder. https://twitter.com/mikeyweal/status/17 ... 03033?s=46

Quote ="christopher"This is a good tweet to show it, he clearly hits him in the head with shoulder. It’s not like MOM’s tackle IMO, he leads with his shoulder. https://twitter.com/mikeyweal/status/17 ... 03033?s=46'" Agree - shoulder to head, no mitigation. Fairly simple moving forward, bend your hips, tackle a bit lower and don’t make contact with the head. If you do you will almost automatically have a problem

Quote ="christopher"This is a good tweet to show it, he clearly hits him in the head with shoulder. It’s not like MOM’s tackle IMO, he leads with his shoulder. https://twitter.com/mikeyweal/status/17 ... 03033?s=46'" Agree - shoulder to head, no mitigation. Fairly simple moving forward, bend your hips, tackle a bit lower and don’t make contact with the head. If you do you will almost automatically have a problem

Spot on

Good to get the win. Some sets were scratchy but it is going to take time for a completely new spine to get set. Next week could be tricky, let's see.

More importantly, still waiting on an update on whether Donaldson has got his headphones back from Nene MacDonald.

Out of context liberalism right there.

Sorry i think you have me mixed up with someone else , all i said was "i think H.K.R will be too strong for us in the Forwards "

I like this version of Ash's try.
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1 match ban for Brierley seems to indicate he should have been sent off
No ban for Momirovski from the MRP