Is it that they are knackered or is there "trouble at mill"? Looks like some players don't want to know, could it be the old Gallagher/Schofield syndrome but this time with Budderus? If so then Bluey needs to drop some of them even if we have no decent replacements.

Don't agree with that one. Sinny's been one of our best performers so far, his form will pick up again. We must start winning the battle up front first and foremost - the pack has been a key weapon in our success of the last 4 years. This will then help the halfs and loose F dominate the game. We seem to be going sideways all the time as we're not making the inroads we should.

Eccleshill has suggested our CEO who in 13 years has delivered almost as many championship sides as the club earned in its' previous 100 years is "the problem" with the club.

He has also suggested taking the captaincy from Leeds most successful captain ever.

This after 3 defeats and 10/11 games into the League season.

Funnily enough after a similar number of games last year he was hailing the current coach (who he is now criticising) as Leeds greatest ever coach.

I'll make no judgment on Eccleshill's wild and reactionary mood swings but simply thought I'd point this out as some context for his thoughts.

Hopefully so but his kicking on the 5th tackle was appalling yesterday

So we lose a couple of games and we need to dismantle the squad?

Pretty reactionary that IMO.

Our style of play has been counteracted and we dont have any answers at the minute. It's time for McClennan to prove just how good he is.

Easier to do when you've only got a bunch of players to work with for 4-6 weeks at a time and everything you tell them is fresh.

Is McLennan hitting the wall in terms of how much time he spends with a group of players? Are his routines, gameplans and training schedules losing their edge?

fair point.as much as we speculate time will tell

All coaches hit that. It's just a question of when. It can be turned around though, even after a longer term slump, as Tony Smith demonstrated.

So you agree it's time for him to prove how good he is.

Shush! It's just great to see substander back to it's old ways after two defeats!

Can the Boards cope with new Southstander being like the Old Southstander at the same time as Red Amber and Black being like the new Southstander?

Won't it lead to a big explosion somewhere?

It already has, and has caused Hudderfield Giants to be replaced by the something else entirely different to those Giants we have known all these years.

Not to mention Salford and Cas. I bet the RFL didn't trhink it's Franchise system would work so well so soon.

And that's the silver lining to this particular cloud.

It's great as Leeds diminish to see the teams that are poised to take their place aren't the same old, same old.

No replacement for Ellis, No cover for the missing Eastwood, no imrovement on last years squad - Out of the Cup

My hope was that the Franchise system and limits on none federation players would help raise the standard of the game. It doesn't seem to be working yet. Although that probably does have to be a longer term objective.

Well if we end up having a poor season I will expect Eccleshill to start feeding us unrest in the camp,how the players can't stand the coach,rumours of players wanting to go and play in Aus mainly to get away from the coach

Those overseas limits were watered down amid furious back pedalling of the RFL under the scrutiny of employment lawyers but the RFL's heart is at least in the right place.

Ah yes the old English Clubs goals at odds with the governing bodies goals for the sport. That will never change no matter what the sport.

The club's (all clubs, not just Leeds and not just RL) heart is in the right place as well as long as it affects other clubs ànd not themselves.

Will all be right again in the world if Leeds upset the form book and beat Huddersfield? Probably!!

This forum has more experts in 'How to run and coach a Super League team' than all the other forums put together!!

Not many have ever played though....

Well the limit on overseas trained for this season was always going to be eight and I can only really think of Wigan exceeding that with Roberts, Carmont, Richards, Smith, Leuluai, Riddell, Palea'aesina, Bailey, Phelps and Hansen although not sure on Hansen's position in this regard.

Next year it's down to six though + any exemptions still with the clubs.



And some of those haven't even watched if your predictions before the weekend were anything to go by.

I can't believe the amount of doomsayers on this board. We hav lost a few games and some people believe this means we will be the worst team in the league! You may argue that because we haven't recruited well that that's the reason for this slump. But surely if most players have stayed and the squad is basically the same it is the same side that has won back to back titles! How could the same players suddenly become so bad in such little time?

Maybe a couple of signings would freshen us up but they won't make huge differences.

One last thing maybe because so many players have started in the same positions week in week out they can play badly and will always be on the team sheet for next week. This is you're Sinfield,burrow,mguire,senior,Webb,donald

Point me to one poster that has claimed that.

Im not quoting that people have actually said that but some on the posts have been implying things along that line

Leeds were first, they then went to second, they are now third, where next?

No-one has said or implied they will be 14th before the season is out.