The last 10 years of history show our young players rarely improve , maybe Walters apart

He does that a lot

Honestly I don’t know until we see what we’ve got player wise for the next two years.

We have got a young squad, I do think that will pay off but I do think we need two better half acks then a Full back to replace Myler im not overly worried about the other positions.

I may get shot down for this but im not overly fussed about this year because I can see a path forward which I haven’t in the last 6 years. The whole set up has changed and I think it will bear fruit as annoying as it is at the moment.

Predictable in that we will lose a good few more games than we win, regardless of a few exceptions where we actually care to turn up. One thing that is predictable is you can see a performance coming from the first few minutes. It was nailed on we would play poor from the manner of the first 2 penalties we conceded. We're crap christopher and a good way of being even mid table.

And I believe that is actually changing.

I would struggle to make a case for any of Austin, Sezer, Fusitua or Tet getting a new contract. I've no idea who's available but there must be better options out there for the kind of money those 4 will be on.

I don’t think the squad is good enough this year ill agree on that.

I admire your patience and optimism, I guess we will have to wait and see. My view is a little less rosy, but we have tried to change direction with the coaching. I suppose after so much success, and then so many false starts, I’m not as trusting of those in charge as you are. Time will tell.

I'll be honest, I'm not seeing where the optimism around our direction of travel is coming from there. It's not the performances that's for sure.

Your spine was atrocious tonight.

Id keep Fusitua but only on vastly reduced terms, that’s only because I think recruiting is priority in other positions, the rest you mentioned can go for me.

Apart from Welsby so was Saints, Dodd has gone dramatically downhill he was terrible

Because im not judging what could be on some games this year, I don’t think the squad is good enough - this year.

Apart from his injuries Fusitua has been a disappointment for me. Sign another centre and play Macdonald on the wing or a better winger that's less injury prone. I appreciate tonight's injury was unavoidable but he was injury prone when we signed him.

Not sure why you think next year will be any different

But regardless of getting 2 points more often we should be seeing better performances more consistently, realistically how many in the 17 are going to change in one off season. The biggest concern is the front row, we had 5 fit props of which not much will change next year and they're 'smiths' players, he can't get them performing and they're not living up to their potential.

Not sure what to say as it's often the same issues.

Poor spine,poor or no plan, silly mistakes / penalties,lack of leadership,stupid choices.

Yeah the ref was bad and we do better with a quick ruck but we rarely get that. Every Ruck is a wrestlers,has been since McGuire came to Wigan.

I'm happy we have done enough to avoid relegation but is that the high point now?.

So much rests on next year signings and tbh Austin did himself no favours and resigning Fusi is madness. I get HIA isn't his fault but we can't afford to have another key player playing half a season when we are already carrying Newman and the back up is Olpherts/ Martin to Centre etc.

Huge shopping list for next year, we clearly have no idea who is on that list or how many have put pen to paper.
When we do,that will show the clubs position on many things and put to bed the team A vs Team B discussion.

To be fair our game plan was quite clear, attack round the ruck, try to tire/ get on top of the inexperienced saints packs, and then attack Hurrells edge when we were in good ball positions.

But neither worked due to been out enthused by saints pack and a mixture of good saints push defence and poor Leeds execution in attack, when attacking Hurrells side

Just back from Saints. Lost that game because all over the park we just don't compete hard and smart enough to win. That could be because: A) The players are not good enough, B) The coach is not good enough, C) Both are not good enough. On balance I still learn towards option A, and that's why recruitment for next year is so massively important.

Because I think the younger players will be a year older and hopefully we get some better halfbacks.

I don’t thi k out pack is the issue at all. Imo its the halfbacks.

There was a point where mcdonnel made s break and Hurrell was absolutely gassed on the other side but the execution was terrible. We would have scored to win the game im sure

Option A for me,

Walters was comfortably your best player tonight. The only one that actually troubled Saints. You had a couple who grafted well but didn't really cause any problems but Cam Smith was just plain awful! I praised him a few weeks ago but tonight he stifled absolutely everything to the point your own players were getting exasperated with him. He has skills, without doubt, but seems to want to play with a ball of his own.

Except it was from the front not the side like Asiata. Plus no injury to Bentley!