One minor positive was the refereeing of James Child (how often can you say that?).
Or more accurately the rowing back on needless cards. Child himself still got a few wrong but it at least felt like sanity had been restored.

Yeah. It couldn’t go on as a spectator sport with the previous mandate. RFL have resided that the game is played at 100 mph and players get it slightly wring pretty often. Penalties are ok, but cards should only be for serious foul play.

I don't know whether I'm glad about that or psed off that overnight they can just change what constitutes a yellow. Shows how inept the system is. Be even more of a farce if others are still giving them.

Much better effort last night but as a few have said that really is the minimum required.

All the talk of players and positions etc is of course relevant but I think the coaching and structure is clearly the biggest issue.

Sean Long should just not be here, our attack under him is awful. The structure, the plays, the lines almost every aspect is so poor. That isn’t just players it also comes down to the structure and plans in place. To some extent the defence under JJB as well, sometimes we have decent line speed, sometimes we don’t. Sometimes we try and slow the play the ball, sometimes we don’t. It’s so hit and miss in every aspect.

I don’t mind if we don’t win, I understand we can’t always win, we will have bad games, bad seasons and that is professional sport. What I do need is players putting in the maximum and us not needing to talk about it and more importantly an identity and a style of play. This new coach really should be coming in and brining his own assistants with JJB and Long gone. Then develop who we are and how we want to play. I find it hard to watch when I have no idea what we are trying to do, there is absolutely no leadership anywhere in the club.

We need some realism too currently. When you look at the two lineups Last night on paper, it looks like a pro team vs an amateur one. I said before the game that it would be a small win for JJB to keep Saints under 50 points. I don’t think any decent coach will risk their reputation until the end of the season now, until we can overhaul the playing roster and get some quality in. We just have to keep faith and hope JJB can inspire a few wins against the other relegation candidate’s. I think he can do that, and that is the only realistic target for now.

As has been said the committment and willingness to put in a shift was much improved and scoreline slightly flattered saints.
It is concerning reading that JJB thought we moved the ball well but lacked zip in the threequarters! I dont know what he was watching both our centres were poor but there was little blame on the wingers! We had no stucture to our attack distribution from acting half was pedestrian ( compare to Roby)and the halves were clueless passing too early or telegraphing a dummy. ( again compare to lomax) Walker tried hard but needs to work on the timing of his passes.
I would hate to see us when we move the ball badly!
To be fair the pack went ok despite as we have said lacking size. Oledski and Bentley were good and Smith much improved although again I feel he moves the ball too slowly.

JJB's presser, if that dosnt depress you as a Leeds fan, then nothing will.

Without knowing he was refering to a professional sports team, you would think he was talking about an u8's team, some of the 'fixes' mentioned should be the absolute bare minimum for any professional sports person

If what he's saying is right, its an absolute disgrace, our squad of players, coaches and management should be ashamed at the culture they've manifested. The coach of Leeds Rhinos happy that the players finally look bothered they're being embarrassed, happy they're finally trying, happy they're talking and asking questions of each other, happy he THINKS they're going to buy in to the fortnights hard work he's got planned, f**k sake...How have things got so bad that these, what should be, absolute unconditional basics, even in a kids team, be seen as progress in one of the biggest clubs in the country, absolutely pathetic.

When we signed donkeys like Donaldson and Thompson we were fed the lines on how they set standards around training,that they're great role models around the place etc etc, clearly total , our standards are poor and embarrassing, again, if JJBS presser is correct.

He then finishes with telling us that he's always rated Liam Suttcliffe as a half, my god, please just go coach Stanningley and drop Long off as far away as possible on your way.

Anybody involved in this mess needs to be as far away from headingley as possible, players included.

Sorry for the long rant.

Re. Sezer - I had seen chat about him needing to be dropped on here. Sky did say ‘groin’ at one point, but then JJB (I think it was) in one of his interviews said ‘hip’.

Both explanations were quite vague and obviously contradictory too. Makes me wonder if he maybe was just dropped. He has been naff but I hope it was a dropping rather than a ‘vaguely explained injury to a body part and a week off to help keep him fit for the games after’.

I think the thing is, we as fans want the issues to be simple and easily fixed so we will focus on player A being rubbish, the coach not being good enough etc etc because that seems like an easy fix.

Unfortunately it’s usually a cumulative effect of much more difficult things to fix that’s making the whole set up look bad.

We’ve basically imo got a 5 game mini season coming up, every single one of those games are winnable.

I think realistically JJB will be there for those games

Totally agree Christopher, we’re not going to get a new coach starting in the next month I don’t think. The next 4-6 weeks will either condemn us to a season long relegation battle, or give us enough breathing space to not need to worry without ever looking like challenging in the top half of the table.

We need to work on defence first, we must stop leaking points. Use the first half last night as the fourth ration and build from that. Then we can start to stay in games longer and if we take a few chances when they come confidence will increase and we will start to look more cohesive.

It’s a long road back from here and we need to start taking a few steps.

His press conferences really disturb me. He's all over the place. I don't see how he can motivate these players. He alluded to Sezer bring "angry and upset" at the prospect of playing injured and also said something similar about Fusitu'a earlier in the week. Next minute he's handing out medals and giving a speech about players playing through injury. The inference is: Sezer and Fusitu'a are big softies. I also found his references to the game being "war" pretty crass in light of what is currently going on in Ukraine. I'm sure non of this is deliberate, but to me it's symptomatic of a man who his in way over his head in any kind of leadership role.

He didn’t say players playing through injury he said players playing hurt, subtle difference.

I don’t mind his pressers, i much prefer them than the standard were training well guff spouted all the time.

He’s not going to be head coach but hell be here for a few games yet, as I say i reckon hes got the next 5 games. You nor i know how the players are reacting to him as coach, we will have a better idea after those 5 games

But he'll be cheap!!

He said in his Thursday presser he wanted players to play with broken bones and fight thru it.

Im sorry but.....come on.

As Cluesy said he is way out of his depth. His public comment on Sezer was very odd.

JJB is injecting positivity. Just ignore what he’s saying, and just focus on the positive energy as it’s the only thing we have at the minute…..

Ignore what he says is about right.

Can anyone please clarify this......club said other day Myler was back in training. JJB said last night he was out for 6-8 weeks. What is going on? Anyone know?

Prior is not the problem.
Him and Oledski are being flogged because we have no back up.
We only ever have 2 props available and they are out on their feet every game.

Tbf to the forwards last night, they did OK.
The problem is we are utterly clueless in attack.
Completely devoid of ideas.
No halves or 3/4's with any strike whatsoever.

I could not go last night but have watched the lowlights.

Last 3 home games, the score has got
Out to 0-31, 0-28 and last night 0-26.
I know we were missing quite a few but was left wondering were Saints actually resting some beforehand cup game v Catalan.

I’ve just been praying to Beelzebub that JJB is not trying to tell us that Sutcliffe is the new half of choice.
What a mess.

I agree with what Arthur C said above. No idea about Myler but I think he would improve the leadership a lot.

Both he and Holroyd were back at training, not IN training. His pre match presser pretty much said both are several weeks away from full training so clearly still a long way off playing

Sounds like he's going full bielsa on them. You might be out for 3 months after this Oledzki but carry on lad.

Agree Batley.
Broadbent was really poor last night.
But we need to stick with him and keep playing him.
He was trying too hard because he get's limited opportunities.
Walker showed some decent flashes.
But they're playing in a team shot for confidence and that's rubbing off on them.

Give Gannon, Broadbent, Tindall, Johnson an extended run.
Sutcliffe, Briscoe, Donaldson, Thompson, Dwyer simply shouldn't be playing.

Saints are doing it.
Problem is, we are in a relegation battle, so that won't happen.

You do know what a metaphor is right?

You can get worked up every time he does a presser if you want but ultimately hes here until we get the right coach.

His comments re Sutcliffe IMO is about confidence the worst thing a coach could do at the moment with a team low on confidence is publicly flog them, that’s why I don’t think sezer was actually injured.

Ok. We were told 2w who that Holroyd was starting sprinting and may be rest for the Saints game…..
Some odd messages coming out…..

I was just about to post the exact same thing.