for me yes. let him organise and McGuire run

Id play sutcliffe in the for the rest of this season if he's fit,moon may not be a proper half but we'v scored a lot more points since he moved there

Watching the pre game we could do with bmm.

If you look back over the BM coaching period my opinions have been justified in most cases whereas the anti-mac brigade have just kept posting the same old same old against Mac and he has just kept winning trophies since 2011 with the odd exception.

If poor performances are in the majority how come we are 2nd in the table. Unlike many other SL sides we have not recruited stars each year and the coach has had to put up with some exceptional negative circumstances with a gradually aging squad, yet still manages to be in the hunt for trophies again this year.

To be fair you do occasionally give credit to BM when due which is why I do not class you along with those that appear to want Leeds to fail just so they can say after 6 years 'I told you I was right'

Hulls pack got on top yesterday and put us under some pressure, certain players couldnt handle that pressure. Certain players could.

I think Parcell, Mcguire, Watkins, Hall, Cuthbertson, all played well. I think Ferres and Briscoe were terrible. I think some players like Mullally and Keinhorst played ok but are at the limit of their talent. I think we missed Galloway's size too.

I wouldnt blame McDermott, i think this squad is probably were it deserves to be, in and around but not quite there. I think we have a decent squad but a few of our big money players who should be difference makers are struggling to even reach adequate.

I think we will make the top 4 and if we do anything could happen, but to move forward i'd lose Ablett who seems to have lost his hands and doesnt seem to be dynamic anymore, Ferres who has a been a flop, Briscoe is shot, and have a chat with Galloway and see just how committed he is to coming back again from such a major injury, which would free up a huge amount of cap space, and go out and get a true Marquee second rower, an experienced proven prop and a winger to replace Briscoe if we have decided Handley isnt up to it (though i still think Handley has all the tools necessary)

Leeds got to the CC cup semi on the back of 3 games against non SL opposition

Their position in the league is down to Wigan having a very serious injury list and an inconsistent Hull side who appear to have peaked at the right time of the year.

There are very few on here who say the quality of SL so far has been much cop - finishing second is hardly a thing to brag about.

As I said before Leeds haven't won a game that matters since the GF of 2015 - time will tell if they can actually turn up and deliver when the something is on the line

the next 7 games when all teams step up a gear will sort the men from the boys.

yes, and we are looking more like boys than men !

Do all teams step up in the final 7 games? Must've missed those classics Hudds finishes or Hull finishing a league season strongly.

well there's an excuse ready and waiting for you

As opposed to the "all other teams are cr@p" nonense from the likes of you?

They don't. There's usually one or two that get found out. Salford and Wakey have done well to get where they are but I wouldn't be too surprised if their wheels came off. Trouble is, ours might too.

Good God no!
We are already too slow in the halves without putting a carthorse in there. Send him back to the Championship that's his maximum potential.

Out of the Challenge Cup?

I guess that's about the best we can hope for from BMD's "masterclass of attacking plans". Three tries from kicks, not once looking like we might prise open gaps in their defensive line with classy attacking play/options. Would someone PLEASE PLEASE tell me just what is BMD's attacking philosophy/plans/structure?

EDIT: I do remember the excellent attack in the 1st half from our own half on the 5th tackle. Please, BMD sycophants & apologists, do not try to tell me that BMD engineered that!

Same issues as last few years.

No organising/general/ in field kicker at 7.
No eexplosive/ attacking back rowers

Add that to poor or bizarre bench/ sub use, the flogging of older or injured players doing big minutes, no direction, no plan for opposition 20, little to no ability to get good early ball to outside backs, virtually no kicking game .

Hull played well yesterday, our best performance in quite some time. As another poster alluded to the thing that surprised me from the Hull end when the score was, I think, 25-12 but plenty of time to go and we'd drilled a deep kick into the corner. Golding was the only Leeds player trying to form the scrum quickly and looked a bit narked that the raft of senior players were sort of trudging back - the body language surprised me for a team that's had the opposite of this as its USP for several years. Just an observation.

please point out where I've ever once said that. printer making things up. again

I would just keep it as it is.
Golding will be as good as Hardaker one day, Briscoe will come good again, I think.
Anyone can put a few pounds on don't blame Ferres. JJB will be able to go round again with Ablett to keep the memories of the olden generation alive and provide the leadership in the absence of Golden oldies Mags and Burrow. They're fit and well and want to go round again, so why not ?
and big Mac, ....hes bound to come good again, just needs time. All Super league know you just need time. Keep it exactly as it is. Please.

Think that Leeds fans are just going to need to do some re-calibration of their expectations over the coming seasons. You’ve come to the end of the most successful period in your history. It’s highly unlikely that you could keep on winning SL titles indefinitely. However it’s not all doom and gloom. You’re still a top 4 side at the moment.

I’d be surprised if that remains the case for long without some reinforcement. A lot of players that have left or who will be leaving are winners who have a winning attitude. The younger players will need to develop that and there will be some bumps along the way. You’ll need to recruit some proven players to provide leadership like you did in the past when signing the likes of Harris, Ellis and Peacock.

The re-calibration of expectations was done at the end of 2015, and your last paragraph is exactly what has been called for since then. Unfortunatley, the set up doesn't act in the right manner to do that, but had they done then the expectations would be about right now going forward.

Hetherington's no idiot so I'm sure he's as aware of the shortcomings of the squad.

Recruitment from overseas is arguably more difficult what with the difference in cap and strength of the pound and only likely to get harder.

I'd expect Leeds to make domestic based signings if any.

The point was how you recruit. A proper plan would have had that transistion in place, instead of a wait and see. The much called about Junior development on here that never happened, but like you now say needs to happen. All this out of date, to a proactive management it would have been put in place previously.

Back under the bridge for you now, the 3 billy goats will be along in a moment, psst look out for the 3rd one

I don't think we are a million miles off. winger to replace Briscoe, a controlling half back, prop and second rower.
I know we have a few props and second rowers but they are much of a muchness. no mongrel in there, no second rowers who run wide either.
4 players, the right players, and we won't be far off