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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"He's played most of the games since coming back from his injury last season, and was our top tackler last season. I don't think his injury record is anywhere near as bad as been made out to be.
I agree, Delaney has been finished for 3 years.'"
He's 35 & injured "again" mate more SC sat in the treatment room like i said maybe on a PAYP/Assist Coach deal then yea but not on a full 1st team deal imo.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Having slept on this, I think GH has made a bigger mistake here than he realises. He has now backed himself into a corner, and everyone now expects that if the form is not picked up then he has to take action. Tried to cover his backside too much here I think, and possibly would have been better waiting on the statement for another week.'"
Given the opening line of the E-mail mate id say he was more or less forced to say something.
Wrt the content GH has previous with this tone of public statement wrt Staff/Player reviews his biggest test is still to come imo i.e Does he have the nadgers to pull the trigger on the Coaching Staff/Playing staff to the level required & then still have the knack of signing Qulity players & the Correct type of Coach!!
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Next 6 -
Catalans - H
Wakefield - H
Huddersfield - A
Wigan - H
Warrington - A
Hull - A
After the Wakey game i really can't make a case for us picking up a point in the following 4 in all honesty.'" huddersfield are terrible at the moment. Bar a great WCC performance wire have been pants. Catalan's always run hot and cold Wakefield try hard but aren't great.
It's a decent run of games to see where we are at. 4 wins and McDermott probably keeps his job. Any fewer and any more capitulation and he has to go.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"huddersfield are terrible at the moment. Bar a great WCC performance wire have been pants. Catalan's always run hot and cold Wakefield try hard but aren't great.
It's a decent run of games to see where we are at. 4 wins and McDermott probably keeps his job. Any fewer and any more capitulation and he has to go.'"
you could also say Huddersfield are equally desperate for points, and always seem to grow a leg against us, especially at home in the regular rounds. Warrington also are bound to hit their straps soon for me, i can see them starting against Wigan on Thursday, this is the game i fear most out of that lot as when Wire click at home they can rack up a cricket score against anyone.
I agree regards the two home games coming up, they represent our best chance of points by far for me and are must wins for Mac.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"eusa_boohoo.gif'"
Funnily enough I've had the same thought hearing you whining and crying the last few days.
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| I wonder if GH already has plans in place for at the end of this period that he feels that changes at coaching and playing areas must be made ?
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"I wonder if GH already has plans in place for at the end of this period that he feels that changes at coaching and playing areas must be made ?'"
I think the days of us thinking "don't worry, Gary will have a plan in place" are long gone.
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| Is it acceptable to want to lose the next 4?
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| Quote ="FGB"Is it acceptable to want to lose the next 4?'"
Is it acceptable for a 'win 4/10' scenario to be acceptable?
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| Quote ="FGB"Is it acceptable to want to lose the next 4?'"
Completely, it would be the best outcome for Leeds. Hopefully losing the next two shall suffice.
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| Quote ="FGB"Is it acceptable to want to lose the next 4?'"
i kind of know were your coming from, if we lose all 4 then there has to be changes, if we limp through and scrape a couple of wins then it will be same old same old.
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| After last seasons nightmare I would have thought it would have given Gary a clue as to this season
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| Quote ="FGB"Is it acceptable to want to lose the next 4?'"
It will be better for the club long term, if we manage to muddle our way through Easter without losing sight of the Top 8 then I can see Hetherington sticking with what we've got for another year.
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| Quote ="FGB"Is it acceptable to want to lose the next 4?'"
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| We will continue to go backwards just as we did last season. If it was not for the class of James Segeyaro we may have been where HKR are now.
Also I hear JP has come out to back McD.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Funnily enough I've had the same thought hearing you whining and crying the last few days.'"
The harsh truth isn't whining ![DAISY icon_biggrin.gifAISY:](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//daisy.gif) you just sit with the rest of the sea lions getting fed a sh#* sandwich every week & taking it. ![CLAP eusa_clap.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_clap.gif)
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| Quote ="FGB"Is it acceptable to want to lose the next 4?'"
No i never want my Team to lose but the changes need to happen on/off the pitch win lose or draw.
We genuinely are at a point ala 2002 when Powell cleaned out the old guard & started the re-build with youngsters & posituve signings.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"I don't get why so many want rid of JJB. He's one of the few real leaders in the squad, and he's still performing to good level. In fact, I think if Ward can't stay fit he should be captain.'"
I was about to post the same thing. He is one of the most reliable players who never gives up. A regular top tackler and leader of the defensive line and first up on the kick chases.
Because he has been unfortunate with injuries does not make him like Maguire or Delaney who cannot run anymore. JJB, injury apart, is one of the fittest players in the squad capable of long minutes. Ward, Sutcliffe, McGuire and possibly Ferres have missed as many matches recently and had he played at Cas the other night we would not have lost by that score.
The same can be said for Burrow who even though past his best is still our best attacking threat and until we sign a quality replacement it would be madness to move him on before others who will never match his ability to win a match.
Certainly we need replacements for the likes of Delaney, Walters and sadly McGuire on current form and I do not think we can keep so many squad players who have not got what it takes in ability to be first choices. I have always been a supporter of giving youngsters with rugby skills a chance but we make too many excuses for the likes of Sutcliffe who has had ample opportunity to stand out. Williams with far fewer chances stamped his authority on games with an full array of skills. Sutcliffe has shown the necessary skill level so very few times and his show and go is as predictable but far less effective than 2nd rower Andy Hay used to be and he struggles to know when to run and when to pass. I am not saying he is a bad player and I rate his usefulness only as a utility squad player.
None of the crop of young forwards has looked to possess outstanding abilities and look like Singleton replicas at best which is not good enough in my opinion.
Watkins is another whose inconsistent performances are often hidden by excuses and he is something of an enigma because he undoubtedly is a gifted runner with balance and good footwork but he seems to lack urgency and awareness and so rarely runs good lines into space and doesn't stand deep enough. He has improved his defense from a physical point of view but his positional sense still appears naive at times and he regularly fails in the big matches both for Leeds and his country.
All in all we need some serious recruitment starting with a quality halfback who would make some of the less gifted players look so much better.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Whereas you and others aren't taking it......because you're moaning on an Internet forum
Yep really showing the club is that.'"
You don't get it do you?
Stick to your pathetic presumptions that "some want us to lose or some will be happy with the scoreline"BS.
Offering opinions whether positive negative or indifferent isn't moaning or crying blah blah it's an opinion on a forum designed for such things ![IDEA a046.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//a046.gif)
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"I was about to post the same thing. He is one of the most reliable players who never gives up. A regular top tackler and leader of the defensive line and first up on the kick chases.
Because he has been unfortunate with injuries does not make him like Maguire or Delaney who cannot run anymore. JJB, injury apart, is one of the fittest players in the squad capable of long minutes. Ward, Sutcliffe, McGuire and possibly Ferres have missed as many matches recently and had he played at Cas the other night we would not have lost by that score.
The same can be said for Burrow who even though past his best is still our best attacking threat and until we sign a quality replacement it would be madness to move him on before others who will never match his ability to win a match.
Certainly we need replacements for the likes of Delaney, Walters and sadly McGuire on current form and I do not think we can keep so many squad players who have not got what it takes in ability to be first choices. I have always been a supporter of giving youngsters with rugby skills a chance but we make too many excuses for the likes of Sutcliffe who has had ample opportunity to stand out. Williams with far fewer chances stamped his authority on games with an full array of skills. Sutcliffe has shown the necessary skill level so very few times and his show and go is as predictable but far less effective than 2nd rower Andy Hay used to be and he struggles to know when to run and when to pass. I am not saying he is a bad player and I rate his usefulness only as a utility squad player.
None of the crop of young forwards has looked to possess outstanding abilities and look like Singleton replicas at best which is not good enough in my opinion.
Watkins is another whose inconsistent performances are often hidden by excuses and he is something of an enigma because he undoubtedly is a gifted runner with balance and good footwork but he seems to lack urgency and awareness and so rarely runs good lines into space and doesn't stand deep enough. He has improved his defense from a physical point of view but his positional sense still appears naive at times and he regularly fails in the big matches both for Leeds and his country.
All in all we need some serious recruitment starting with a quality halfback who would make some of the less gifted players look so much better.'"
We've had plenty of hidings with Jjb in his PRIME in the 17 so at 35 there's no way he would have prevented that scoreline.
I see yer faith in Mcguire turning our fortunes around has disintergrated pretty quick aswell.
Onto Watkins he's this years Hardaker for you then going by that how's ZH lack of talent looking now he's with a Coach who improves players?
Getting the best out of Watkins is as much about supply structure & planning as it is about his own talent/attitude.
I agree with you re-departures but again i will point out wrt youngsters no judgement should be made until the required changes are implimented.
Finally onto Sutty/Williams comparison both have been handled completely differently one has been chopped changed position picked injured & restricted wrt his role whereas the other has been nurtured guided & given the freedom/backing & consistency in selection to be allowed to grow into his role.
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| Lots of critical words there from Juan aimed towards players seemingly incapable of improvement under this coaching set-up. Yet Hardaker has highlighted in under a month of the current season the potential value added by quality coaching.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"You don't get it do you?
Stick to your pathetic presumptions that "some want us to lose or some will be happy with the scoreline"BS.
Offering opinions whether positive negative or indifferent isn't moaning or crying blah blah it's an opinion on a forum designed for such things
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Could easily flip that and say just because someone doesn't criticise constantly on an Internet forum they're some sort of sheep who agrees with everything the club/coach/CEO does.
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| I am not a McDermott fan - his brand of rugby is turgid and one dimensional.
I think he has had his time at Leeds as I think has GH - fresh ideas are required not just about the play on the field but the direction the club is going to take in the future.
I am pretty negative about much I see going on but I wouldn't want to see the team losing matches. Thursday was a low point and embarrassment to everyone at the club and all those on here who genuinely think things are not really that bad. Everyone can see the club is not in a great place - when the CEO personally apologises things must be bad!!
Wanting the team to lose games so the coach gets the sack is pretty low in my view.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Could easily flip that and say just because someone doesn't criticise constantly on an Internet forum they're some sort of sheep who agrees with everything the club/coach/CEO does.'"
All BS aside you've backed Mc.D/GH as much as anyone & more than most though haven't you?
I will also say going by some of your posts you seem to think a lot of the criticism somehow equates to people hoping the Team loses/fails that's just wrong on every level imo.
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