There's no doubt the Sky commentators made more of it than it was. Don't get me wrong it was a bad one but not as bad as Steve et al made out.

Have you seen the size of Ablett (who was moving, Tomkins was stood still) compared to S Tomkins? If you need to "protect" yourself like that, then he shouldn't be playing rugby league.

Size doesn't matter in RL.

It doesn't matter anyway.

I look forward to this board going into meltdown if Ablett doesn't receive a ban! Mr McF may be busy

I cant wait either. Cant see it though.

I really doesn't matter what is right or wrong, nor does it matter if it is illegal or not - incidents like this occur all the time so, like it or not, they are therefore part of the game - what is so hard to understand about this. You bleating on about it isn't going to stop dangerous tackles. I think you should continue this conversation with King Canute, he had the same outlook as you but on tidal wash!




This is really the 'dimmest' thing you have posted so far (and there has been plenty of contenders) - you are branding me a hypocrite for NOT posting an opinion - really!!!, so you are expecting me to post my opinion on every incident that occurs in every Rugby game ever?

imo its the one of the worst things that can happen to a player when they are hit when they cannot defend themselves and cover up,has an ex player myself i thought ablett was reckless and although not intentional it was more good luck that tompkins hasnt broken his jaw.

i listened to the re-run on radio leeds with jason demitriou and to say he was disgusted by the challenge was an understatement,has a current player he understands what its like to be out their and to see an attack to another proffesionals head like that is the worst possible challenge and it should be punished.

i can see the rfl giving ablett at least 2 games with it been reduced to 1 on appeal but imo its nothing close to enough.

Sorry, it mean to say post of "yours". Actually, you mean nobody from Wigan is talking about it because they're self righteous hypocrites. Both TVOC and i have mentioned it a few times.

It's just that Ridell was penalised for an attack to Burrow's head (unlike Ablett how has not yet been found guilty of such an offence). If you're really not a biased supporter spouting bile about one specific incident I'd have expected your righteous crusade to have included Ridell's penalised actions. But it hasn't done. That's why I don't take you seriously.

And I won't be calling for a Ridell banning because, unlike you, I take a bit more of a balanced view of the game and understand that players, playing at such high intensity often make errors of Judgment or slips in technique. These things happen. My cajones are a little bit too big to start squealing about life time bans etc.

HTH

G1 - What is also interesting is all the keyboard warriors who think they know the laws and the various guidelines but have never taken the time to read them and just assume that they know them, or there opinion should be the law and can't understand why it isn't!

The review panel will currently be sitting looking at the videos from the weekend. The first thing is that they will watch the Ablett incident at full speed from as many angles as available, over and over again if required, and rarely look at contact with the head cases in slow-mo unless they think there is good reason to. Why? Because slow-mo distorts the viewers perception of time, as we live our life in real time and not slow-mo, they need to consider split second actions of players and what impact that had on the intent and outcome.

They have to decide if the tackle or intended tackle was either Careless, Reckless or Intentional or none of them. If they decide it was not any, they can still issue warning and letters which will be placed on a players record.

So, was Ablett Careless, Reckless or Intentional in his tackle on Tomkins? I think he was possibly Careless and maybe at a push Reckless but I do not think it was Intentional AND you have to look at the specific definitions of these terms in the guidelines. This means the 'guide' on suspension is 0 to 3 games!

Now, lets look at aggravating factors

Previous Record
Violence
Retaliation
Injury caused
Incident not part of play
Other aggravating factors

and mitigating factors

Previous Good Record
Provocation
Technique or Fitness in some cases
Genuine Remorse
Other Mitigating Factors

So, when you look at the aggravating factors for Ablett there isn't any, he does not have a previous record to speak of and did not cause injury (luckily).

When you look at mitigating factors he has a previous good (well excellent) record and suspect that he did apologise to Tomkins after the game and will tell the disciplinary panel (if he gets there) that he was remorseful. Not injuring a player is not a mitigating factor BTW, for obvious reasons.

So, is Ablett going get to get a ban? Well if he does 1 and possibly 2 matches would seem to me to be the maximum, IMO, he is looking at. I also think that, given his excellent record, that not getting one at all but being fined £300 quid along with a warning is a likely outcome.

Predictions - Ok, when the review panel publish their findings this afternoon if Ablett is charged with being Careless I think it will be a fine and warning, if he gets charged with being Reckless he will get a one match ban. If he gets charged with being intentional, well I will be very surprised!

So, if my predictions come true, before the keyboard warriors start spouting the usual rubbish, read the guidelines and the reports and then tell us why they were wrong... bet you they don't though!

Excellent post, and about all it needed on this thread. Why didn't you post on page 2? could have saved another 12 pages of nauseating bile.

After Farrells sin binning in the cup game when most Leeds fans wanted a red surely you can see why Wigan fans are very confused why Ablett is on report considering the video ref tells the referee that there is contact with the arm to the head!! Then Coley goes for a tackle that was a pen at worse. For our 1st try Hall hits Gleeson as late!
If Ablett doesnt get a game ban then I would be very suprised!

Who called for Farrell to have a red? surely that is made up.

What actually happend is that Leeds defended the fact that Farrell was sinbinned, when Wigan fans were frothing at the mouth, that despite a late shot on a defenceless player, you all thought he was harshly treated.

This despite the fact that it is clear in the rules that a late challenge is a sinbin.

Right, I haven't seen the incident, and don't know exactly what happened - only that its upset a few people.

So I can have a look before a read too many opinions, can you tell me what time in the game it happened, as it'll be a while before I'll have time to watch the whole game through.

Have you seen the size of Ritchie Myler who was prone on the ground having score a try when he was whacked from behind by Joel Tomkins? IIR all he recieved was a slap on the wrist & a £300 fine.
Have yo seen the size of Burrow who was clattered round the neck by Riddell?
Ablett's challenge was bad & will be dealt with but you need to look at your own team as well before castigating others.

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tc8rr/Super_League_Show_2010_Episode_25/Around 17.20 into this[/url

What would you have a Leeds player do in that situation with an opponent over the line and it not been clear whether the ball was grounded or not?

So you condone Tomkin's actions?
I would not want a Leeds player to emulate Tomkins' actions.
The RFL disciplinary committee obviously agree with me otherwise Tomkins would not have been charged or fined.

The play the ball by Peacock that Sinfield hoisted the up and under from was at 15 minutes 00 seconds into the game.



In that situation absolutely yes as I said at the time.

To me it was unclear as to whether or not Myler had grounded the ball and I would have been disgusted had a Leeds player in that situation not gone in to try and prevent the try from being scored.

As for the RFL how difficult would it be for you to find a decision you didn't agree with?

On the day there were shouts of off and Leeds fans I spoke to said it was a red as it was a bad challenge!!
He caught him hip to hip and was already in the air before he kicked!! But yet the "defenceless player" rolled round as though he had been smashed in the head!
And if a late challenge on the kicker is a sin binning it isnt always given! Deacon got hit late in France and yesterday I saw Lunt hit Ben Jeffires late and nothing given!! So it would seem its when it suits! Also why did Hall not recieve a yellow for hitting Gleeson late for our 1st try??

More ill informed bollox Mcguire was in mid air and got taken out by a player charging towards him he fell back and hit the deck and naturally rolled over you plank not a Ronaldo act and then got up.

'Cos it was about a second. You're taught to take the player with the ball out if its a 2 on 1 situation, incase he throws the dummy and goes round you.

I imagine because

1) It wasn't late
2) There was nothing in it

and

3) Even if it had been marginally late (and it wasn't) how would a referee sin bin a player for something that isn't in the book.

and

4) The Coley sin-binning later in the game (even after a warning) was also ludicrous.

Quote ="Sam Buca"'Cos it was about a second. You're taught to take the player with the ball out if its a 2 on 1 situation, incase he throws the dummy and goes round you.'" Tell that to Coley!!! Quote ="rhinoms" More ill informed bollox Mcguire was in mid air and got taken out by a player charging towards him he fell back and hit the deck and naturally rolled over you plank not a Ronaldo act and then got up.'" Really try about 6mins 48 seconds! Physio comes on to treat him as he rolls over holding his head!! news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 714314.stm

Quote ="Sam Buca"'Cos it was about a second. You're taught to take the player with the ball out if its a 2 on 1 situation, incase he throws the dummy and goes round you.'" Tell that to Coley!!! Quote ="rhinoms" More ill informed bollox Mcguire was in mid air and got taken out by a player charging towards him he fell back and hit the deck and naturally rolled over you plank not a Ronaldo act and then got up.'" Really try about 6mins 48 seconds! Physio comes on to treat him as he rolls over holding his head!! news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 714314.stm

A Sin bin is off. Are you not sent from the field? They hardly likely to change something that has been said at all grounds for years and years, to "Sin Bin" "Sin Bin" are they? Off is a far easier word to say.

Nobody said it was a Red on the day, as unlike Wigan fans we seem to be a bit more knowledable with the rules of the game.