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| Quote ="tvoc"I don't see McDermott as being the subservient type now that he has tasted the head coaching role so probably best to just get on with it.'"
He never was the subservient type, hence why him and Smith broke up the partnership.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He never was the subservient type, hence why him and Smith broke up the partnership.'"
Was'nt that more to do with Quinns wanting him as their head coach?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He never was the subservient type, hence why him and Smith broke up the partnership.'"
Smith has never struck me as someone who can accept anyone's views except his own.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Would'nt that be the same as just sacking him?
I mean if he's kept on surely then instructing him how we should play and be structured is the same as replacing him?'"
Not really. I have to give various members of staff who work for me specific instructions about things I want them to do differently, but I don't sack them.
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| sorry rhinoms but this topic is a pile of rubbish
a tough season where injuries ruined the start of the campaign, which killed us
Bluey has done very well considering
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"sorry rhinoms but this topic is a pile of rubbish
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Why is it?
It sparks rugby discussion. Would you rather discourage rugby discussion?
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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"Why is it?
It sparks rugby discussion. Would you rather discourage rugby discussion?'"
sack a coach because he hasn't won a trophy?!
really?
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"sorry rhinoms but this topic is a pile of rubbish
a tough season where injuries ruined the start of the campaign, which killed us
Bluey has done very well considering'"
Given that some fans are bemoaning our style of play the failure of the 2 hooker system to run smoothly and the countless talk of unrest behind the scenes plus players and coaches departing i think it's a valid topic.
Now of course like every poster you have an opinion and that is fair enough but the topic seems to have sparked decent debate.
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"[usack a coach because he hasn't won a trophy?![/u
really?'"
Where is that mentioned?
Like i said Loz it's a valid subject given where we are and the way some fans feel.
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"sack a coach because he hasn't won a trophy?!
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He didn't say that though did he Loz? He posed a valid question and hinted at other rumours. If those rumours are true then his position should and could be under threat.
We don't know if they are though.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Given that some fans are bemoaning our style of play the failure of the 2 hooker system to run smoothly and the countless talk of unrest behind the scenes plus players and coaches departing i think it's a valid topic.
Now of course like every poster you have an opinion and that is fair enough but the topic seems to have sparked decent debate.'"
This seems a common theme at Headingley with "Player unrest" with the coaches, there is two ways to look at this, either the players at Headingley are given a "dont respect the boss" attitude that is maybye a culture at the club or we are simply employing the wrong sort of coaches
For me I think with most companys that operate in todays world there is a turnover of staff, now this can be for many reasons, want to aim higher, fresh challenge or unhappyness. You cant deny that rugby clubs go through the same
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| Quote ="Era of the Biff"He didn't say that though did he Loz? He posed a valid question and hinted at other rumours. If those rumours are true then his position should and could be under threat.
We don't know if they are though.'"
Sorry my bad to rhinoms bit of Gotcha style "fog knitting" and me trying to also raise a matter kind of got lost in translation
If you was Darth at the moment, would you be calling in Bluey for a little chat?
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"This seems a common theme at Headingley with "Player unrest" with the coaches, there is two ways to look at this, either the players at Headingley are given a "dont respect the boss" attitude that is maybye a culture at the club or we are simply employing the wrong sort of coaches
For me I think with most companys that operate in todays world there is a turnover of staff, now this can be for many reasons, want to aim higher, fresh challenge or unhappyness. You cant deny that rugby clubs go through the same'"
Now why did'nt you post this as your opinion rather than have a pop at the subject?
The reason i mentioned the rumours is because there are many different people i have spoke to hearing the same things ,of course we have the usual stuff when we are in poor form or lose a big game but these imo are very different and i hope they are'nt as bad as made out or at least if they are then i hope it's sorted asap.
Then we have Brian Mc returning to be a no2 when it's expected he will be the head honcho come 2012 which makes the recruitment/retention for next season and squad harmony even more important.
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"Sorry my bad to rhinoms bit of Gotcha style "fog knitting" and me trying to also raise a matter kind of got lost in translation
[uIf you was Darth at the moment, would you be calling in Bluey for a little chat[/u?'"
I would be hoping i wouldn't have to tbh mate like you and many have pointed out we've had a terrible year with injuries and the 3-in-a-row has caught up to us.
I think whatever the outcome i trust/hope GH has it sorted.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Not really. I have to give various members of staff who work for me specific instructions about things I want them to do differently, but I don't sack them.'"
I see yer point mate in a business sense but surely if you are a 1st team coach of a sports team you don't want the CEO or Chairman telling you how we should play and what methods to use.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Now why did'nt you post this as your opinion rather than have a pop at the subject?
The reason i mentioned the rumours is because there are many different people i have spoke to hearing the same things ,of course we have the usual stuff when we are in poor form or lose a big game but these imo are very different and i hope they are'nt as bad as made out or at least if they are then i hope it's sorted asap.
Then we have Brian Mc returning to be a no2 when it's expected he will be the head honcho come 2012 which makes the recruitment/retention for next season and squad harmony even more important.'"
If I was Darth I would want to know exactly what Blueys plans for 2012 are now (not to say he doesn't already). You have to think if Bluey goes to an Aussie club will he look at trying to take some of the lads or staff with him? I'm not suggesting Bluey is the sort of bloke to do that but you have to remember some of the lads have said he puts passion into the team etc
For me already my expectations for 2011 are not majorly high as I do expect some of the "kids" to be drafted more into the side etc
As for Brian Mc, I do think it will be intresting to see how he settles into a "number 2" job rather than Head Coach....
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I would be hoping i wouldn't have to tbh mate like you and many have pointed out we've had a terrible year with injuries and the 3-in-a-row has caught up to us.
I think whatever the outcome i trust/hope GH has it sorted.'"
If we have a look at GH track record of sacking coaches, Bluey shouldn't have to worry at all IMO
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| I voted for he should stay and see out his contract.
However I also see and respect TVOC's point in that if Mac is taking over the reigns in 2012 and isn't the kind of character to sit back and just 'observe' and help out on the training field then isn't Bluey a 'dead man walking anyway' especially if all the staff know who the boss is going to be in 2012?
Lets hope for the sake of the club getting back on track next year that Bluey and Mac can get a great working relationship going next season.
Put it this way,if next season starts as bad as this then how long into next season will it be before people on here are posting that its all down to a frosty relationship between our two 'head' coaches?
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I would be hoping i wouldn't have to tbh
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He said darth rhinoms.
If he did call McClennan in you'd be going in there to fight GH, you're the rl jedi master.
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| what we have to remember as well guys is other teams have caught up with our way of thinking and playing....
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I see yer point mate in a business sense but surely if you are a 1st team coach of a sports team you don't want the CEO or Chairman telling you how we should play and what methods to use.'"
I'd say that of all the club chairmen in our game GH is the most "businesslike". He treats most aspects of the operation as a business so I see no real reason why he would treat the head coach any differently.
Just for clarity, I'm not advocating that GH tells BMC exactly how to coach the team, more gives him instruction that he wants to see more structure to the play, particularly with the ball.
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| I agree there is no point in McClennan hanging around....a bit like the lame duck president situation but constitutionally here he doesn't have to stay.
I guess they the club doesn't want to sack him, but the hint is there and if I was him I would be seeking another job in the employer secretly-hoping -despite-giving-token-support scenario.
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"This seems a common theme at Headingley with "Player unrest" with the coaches, there is two ways to look at this, either the players at Headingley are given a "dont respect the boss" attitude that is maybye a culture at the club or we are simply employing the wrong sort of coaches
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Or maybe its complete bollacks emanating from the gossiping tap rooms of the borough who need an excuse for what they perceive as a failed season ?
Pop into any warehouse in the district and ask a random sample of heavy box lifters whether or not they like their boss - you might not be surprised by their replies.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Or maybe its complete bollacks emanating from the gossiping tap rooms of the borough who need an excuse for what they perceive as a failed season ?
Pop into any warehouse in the district and ask a random sample of heavy box lifters whether or not they like their boss - you might not be surprised by their replies.'"
Hammer....nail....head Mcfieldy. I was gobsmacked to hear my nick was Billy the Bastard! Ungrateful shoites!
It always raises a smile that posters here are quick to castigate other fans for their repitition of TMFMISL's reputation, yet are happy to spout off as cast iron fact something equally as daft regarding the Rhino's dressing room.
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