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| IMO the RL have gone a long way to diminish finishing top of the league by introducing such a poxy trophy as the hubcap.
I mean,it's horrible.Nearly on a par with the Co-op trophy.
We had a fantastic trophy in the old championship one.
It always grates me why that couldn't have been used.
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| How can it be meaningless ? 27 rounds in the regular season must surely count for something . Try telling the players that their efforts over the season , the injuries , the tears , the elation , the exhaustion , the triumphs , and the defeats , have meant nothing . Tell them that was just the warm-up games for the real thing , and that you just want to see them win the last match in what is a bonus competition .
Methinks whichever player you say such a thing to rightly deserves to give you a proper good smack in the teeth .
27 rounds for the hubcap against 3 or 4 for the GF..which could possibly be won by a team that has won only half of the regular rounds .
Surely the hubcap deserves to be recognised as THE trophy of the season .
Maybe next season we should just aim at finishing in the top 8 . That means less effort for the players . We could rest our top players when we have got enough points to finish 8th or higher, and give the juniors a run out for the rest of the season . Would you be happy watching them getting turned over every week while our better players get themselves rested and fit for the play-offs ? I wouldn't .
I will be attending the GF again this year . It would be good to win it again , but it ain't the end of the world if we don't .
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| Friday - Champs by 18.
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| Quote ="LS13"How can it be meaningless ? 27 rounds in the regular season must surely count for something . Try telling the players that their efforts over the season , the injuries , the tears , the elation , the exhaustion , the triumphs , and the defeats , have meant nothing . Tell them that was just the warm-up games for the real thing , and that you just want to see them win the last match in what is a bonus competition .
Methinks whichever player you say such a thing to rightly deserves to give you a proper good smack in the teeth .
27 rounds for the hubcap against 3 or 4 for the GF..which could possibly be won by a team that has won only half of the regular rounds .
Surely the hubcap deserves to be recognised as THE trophy of the season .
Maybe next season we should just aim at finishing in the top 8 . That means less effort for the players . We could rest our top players when we have got enough points to finish 8th or higher, and give the juniors a run out for the rest of the season . Would you be happy watching them getting turned over every week while our better players get themselves rested and fit for the play-offs ? I wouldn't .
I will be attending the GF again this year . It would be good to win it again , but it ain't the end of the world if we don't .'"
Would you rather win the Hub-Cap or the GF??????
The RFL have brought the Hub-Cap in as an after-thought and imo the prestige of winning it is way behind the GF.
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| Hubcap by plenty . Simply because it rewards the efforts of the team over the whole season .
The GF is just the icing on the cake (could put the cake on the hubcap . It looks more like a cake tray than a hubcap anyway )
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| Quote ="LS13"Hubcap by plenty . Simply because it rewards the efforts of the team over the whole season .
The GF is just the icing on the cake (could put the cake on the hubcap . It looks more like a cake tray than a hubcap anyway
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Yet the GF winners are labelled Champions and the Hub-Cap winners are league leaders!!
It's the same in the NRL and i'd say at least 95% of fans would prefer the GF win.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Yet the GF winners are labelled Champions and the Hub-Cap winners are league leaders!!
It's the same in the NRL and i'd say at least 95% of fans would prefer the GF win.'"
Is the 5% allocation for Saints fans???
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| I dont see why we cant just have both
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| Surely the true champions are the team that finishes top of the league when the regular season ends . League champions .
GF winners are merely the winners of a post-season tournament .
As for the WCC . Similar to the yank 'World Series' imho . Surely you need to have a few more countries contesting it bofore to can put 'WORLD' in the title of a competition .
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| nope, your wrong. the champions are the grand final winners
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| They are 'named as champions' . So the rounds prior to the play-offs are actually only qualifying games then , and as such are really meaningless . A team that wins 17 games can be named champions over a team that has won possibly 30 games but loses at the GF. I know which team I would consider to be the champions .
I don't care much for the GF . I will attend because it is a good day out . I hope we can get there and win it again so we can sing 'that's why we're champions' again next season .
I actually started singing it at Hunslet when we were losing
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| Quote ="LS13"Surely the true champions are the team that finishes top of the league when the regular season ends . League champions .
GF winners are merely the winners of a post-season tournament .
As for the WCC . Similar to the yank 'World Series' imho . Surely you need to have a few more countries contesting it bofore to can put 'WORLD' in the title of a competition .'"
Here we have the common misunderstanding of the "insular" attitude of the yanks in having a "world series".
It is usual to put the sponsors' name in front of the title of the competition. The series of games was sponsored by "World" and therefore became known as the "World Series".
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| Thanks for that . You learn something new every day .
So do 'World' sponsor the WCC as well ?
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| Quote ="LS13"Thanks for that . You learn something new every day .
So do 'World' sponsor the WCC as well ?'"
Nope, because its "Carnegie World Club Challenge".
That answer that for you?
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| I know that . So when are the rest of the world going to be invited to contest it and make it a proper 'WORLD' Club Challenge ?
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| Quote ="LS13"I know that . So when are the rest of the world going to be invited to contest it and make it a proper 'WORLD' Club Challenge ?'"
The other leagues aren't strong enough to be considered plus there a is another nationality in it namely the New Zealand warriors!
The event is recognition for the 2 GF winners(CHAMPIONS) from the 2 toughest comps to play a 1 off decider for the status of WCC champs.
SIMPLES.
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| England , Wales , France , Oz , and NZ in wtih a shout then .
Not really a 'World' thing is it when there are only 5 countries from 2 continents contesting it . Surely there are other countries that could , and would , enter their 'champions' in the competition if they were invited to do so .
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| The most consistent team (and some would say this makes them the best) wins the hub cap. The Champions are the team who win the GF.
A real champion side is the side who wins both and doesnt choke when it comes to the grand final.
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| Quote ="Head High Tackle"The most consistent team (and some would say this makes them the best) wins the hub cap. The Champions are the team who win the GF.
A real champion side is the side who wins both and doesnt choke when it comes to the grand final.'"
Rex hunt would be proud!!
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| this is the first season in a while,because of the strange fixtures, that the team who ends up top can be considered the most consistent.
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| Surely it has always been the most consistent team that finishes top .
Or am I missing something ?
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| a brain for a start
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"I've been singing the same song for years.
The opinion that the League Leaders Trophy is worthless is one that has been indoctronated into recent newcomers to the game by the duo from Sky Sports and their understandable over-promotion of the Grand Final series of games, given that it provides them with an extra four weeks employment at the end of the season and they get paid to promote it of course.
Back in the day it was the League Leaders Trophy that was all-important (and it was a fekking huge trophy too), the play-offs were a nice little tag-on to the end of the season.'" Back in which day?
You've mentioned recent newcomers to the game but shown a lack of respect for the history of the sport.
The championship was decided by a playoffs long before it was decided be the league table. In fact, its' only been a rather brief period in the games' history that it was decided by the league table.
We had playoffs and a final to decide the champions long before Sky sports were ever thought of.
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| Can't disagree with you on that one .
Care to explain what you mean't above that though ?
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| Quote ="tad rhino"this is the first season in a while,because of the strange fixtures, that the team who ends up top can be considered the most consistent.'" Not really, there's always vagaries to consider.
Eg, Saints play Celtic away early in the season when they're buoyant. We play them late in the season when they're decimated by injury and deportations.
We get Huddersfield when they've loads to play for. Saints play them after the semi when they field a team of kids.
The only way is to treat a league season as a qualifying playoff, reward the higher finishing teams with incentives, then let the best play the best for the prize and the cream will rise to the top.
You know, like we have right now.
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