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| Quote ="Peaseblossom"Mind you, that's only one game and Celtic would surely prefer to run at the one with least experience.
Also, the metres are racked up quickly with a couple of clear runs.
Nonetheless, most illuminating.'"
will his interception not count as about 40 metres?
they also kicked more to Hall, which is understandable.
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| Quote ="RossRhino"will his interception not count as about 40 metres?'"
Even so, take that out of the equation, and he still made more than 100m more that the great Scott. Most of that will account for his long break in the second half, which he passed to McGuire, who got ankle tapped (top effort that) IIRC.
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| Quote ="RossRhino"will his interception not count as about 40 metres?
they also kicked more to Hall, which is understandable.'"
I'd say yes and yes.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Even so, take that out of the equation, and he still made more than 100m more that the great Scott. Most of that will account for his long break in the second half, which he passed to McGuire, who got ankle tapped (top effort that) IIRC.'"
aye, was some ankle tap, i thought we were in there.
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| That was from JJB's break wasn't it? Nothing to do with Hall or Donald's stats.
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| Quote ="tvoc"That was from JJB's break wasn't it? Nothing to do with Hall or Donald's stats.'"
hmmm, now you've made me think....
Kirke made a break but he didnt took the tackle.
I thought Hall made a break down the North stand touch line in the second half and passed inside?
You could be right...my brain is turning into mush.
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| Quote ="RossRhino"will his interception not count as about 40 metres?
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Interception? It was a pass, albeit one from an opposition player
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| The break that indeed led to McGuire being ankle tapped was from JJB.
Hall's lengthy break led to him running out of gas at half way and being caught on the outside by Dick Van Dyke. I don't need statistics to tell me that in the same situation Donald would've been grounding the ball beneath the sticks.
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| Quote ="G1"The break that indeed led to McGuire being ankle tapped was from JJB.
Hall's lengthy break led to him running out of gas at half way and being caught on the outside by Dick Van Dyke. I don't need statistics to tell me that in the same situation Donald would've been grounding the ball beneath the sticks.'"
Thank you!
So between Halls break and interception, that may account for a large chunk of his metres gained over Donald (and the fact he was kicked to more).
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| Quote ="RossRhino"I thought Hall made a break down the North stand touch line in the second half and passed inside?'"
I don't think I'm up to reviewing the second half to find out.
Quote ="Lord_Percy"Interception? It was a pass, albeit one from an opposition player
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I wonder if Duggan got 'an Opta try assist' for that one, he should have.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I don't think I'm up to reviewing the second half to find out.'"
G1 confirmed you were correct
Quote ="tvoc"I wonder if Duggan got 'an Opta try assist' for that one, he should have.'"
lol, harsh.
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| Quote ="RossRhino"lol, harsh.'"
Harsh but fair I felt
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| Quote ="Lord_Percy"Harsh but fair I felt'"
I've checked, [url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=3236&hs2=2009&hp2=2805&stat=tries&season=2009he didn't[/url. They can't even get McShane's squad number correct so it's another C-
That's Opta for you.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I've checked, [url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=3236&hs2=2009&hp2=2805&stat=tries&season=2009he didn't[/url. They can't even get McShane's squad number correct so it's another C-
That's Opta for you.'"
You see, that's why their's only 1 real stats guru for those of us round here.
Oh, and seeing as I'm about the only person who hasn't said it, welcome back
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| It may be that Donald was told to stay out on his wing more to cover for the inexperience of Watkins rather than to come in and look for work.
Re the pass/interception to Hall, it was a good job he came in to make the interception. Had he not, my recollection is that they had at least a 2 man overlap so could well have gone in for a score of their own.
I think we're lucky to have Donald, Hall and Smith as our wingers all bring something different and complementary to the table.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"I think we're lucky to have Donald, Hall and Smith as our wingers all bring something different and complementary to the table.'"
Thats the thing, Smith is now one of our centres
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| Quote ="RossRhino"Thats the thing, Smith is now one of our centres
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only if Watkins or Gibson don't make it. Smith won't get a game there until Webb is back, and by then, one of the others may have made the place their own
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Quote ="leicester_rhino"only if Watkins or Gibson don't make it. Smith won't get a game there until Webb is back, and by then, one of the others may have made the place their own'"
i dont believe that will be the case.
i seem to remember reading bluey making it clear that smith will get game time at centre when webb returns, then its upto smith what he does with that chance.
edit; www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... 4679924.jp
This article makes me think Smith will revert to centre once Webb returns regardless of Gibson or Watkin' form. Read into it what you will.
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Quote ="leicester_rhino"only if Watkins or Gibson don't make it. Smith won't get a game there until Webb is back, and by then, one of the others may have made the place their own'"
i dont believe that will be the case.
i seem to remember reading bluey making it clear that smith will get game time at centre when webb returns, then its upto smith what he does with that chance.
edit; www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... 4679924.jp
This article makes me think Smith will revert to centre once Webb returns regardless of Gibson or Watkin' form. Read into it what you will.
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| As far as I'm concerned from what I've seen Smith is a winger/full back.
I'll be delighted though if he makes a successful transition into the centres.
Strength in depth and versatlity/cover is the aim of every coach. Let's hope that's what we've got, injuries permitting.
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Quote ="RossRhino"i dont believe that will be the case.
i seem to remember reading bluey making it clear that smith will get game time at centre when webb returns, then its upto smith what he does with that chance.
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This article makes me think Smith will revert to centre once Webb returns regardless of Gibson or Watkin' form. Read into it what you will.'"
I remember the article, but what happens if one or both of Gibson & Watkins excel at centre over the next couple of weeks, and webb comes back, with smith also impressing?
Drop Smith?
Drop Gibson/Watkins?
Drop Webb?
It is unlikely that Smith, Gibson/Watkins and Hall will all play so well they can't be dropped, but one of them will have to.
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i seem to remember reading bluey making it clear that smith will get game time at centre when webb returns, then its upto smith what he does with that chance.
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This article makes me think Smith will revert to centre once Webb returns regardless of Gibson or Watkin' form. Read into it what you will.'"
I remember the article, but what happens if one or both of Gibson & Watkins excel at centre over the next couple of weeks, and webb comes back, with smith also impressing?
Drop Smith?
Drop Gibson/Watkins?
Drop Webb?
It is unlikely that Smith, Gibson/Watkins and Hall will all play so well they can't be dropped, but one of them will have to.
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| Quote ="Lord_Percy"Oh, and seeing as I'm about the only person who hasn't said it, welcome back'"
Thank you, I appreciate it.
I'll add your name to the spreadsheet.
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| I thought you'd had enough attention tvoc, but seen as there's a spreadsheet about it's great to have you back mate. Without doubt one of the most knowledgeable posters on here, and that's without the bottomless pit of statistics.
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"I remember the article, but what happens if one or both of Gibson & Watkins excel at centre over the next couple of weeks, and webb comes back, with smith also impressing?
Drop Smith?
Drop Gibson/Watkins?
Drop Webb?
It is unlikely that Smith, Gibson/Watkins and Hall will all play so well they can't be dropped, but one of them will have to.'"
I believe Smith is ahead of Watkins of Gibson when it comes to the centre spot alongside Senior so when Webb returns, I expect Smith to revert to centre and play alongside Donald, with Senior and Hall on the opposite wing with Webb at full back.
Presuming all the above are fit and healthy.
It may not happen, but going on what has been said publicly by the coach, that's what should happen.
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"I remember the article, but what happens if one or both of Gibson & Watkins excel at centre over the next couple of weeks, and webb comes back, with smith also impressing?
Drop Smith?
Drop Gibson/Watkins?
Drop Webb?
It is unlikely that Smith, Gibson/Watkins and Hall will all play so well they can't be dropped, but one of them will have to.'"
Id drop Hall out of all of them as I still think he lacks the speed needed for a top Winger.
But thats only if Watkins can improve in defence. He is the best we have in attack (IMO) but that counts for nothing if you cant defend.
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| Quote ="Matt23"I thought you'd had enough attention tvoc, but seen as there's a spreadsheet about
it's great to have you back mate. '"
I had but what can you do, I can't just ignore the messages. You were already on the (mythical) spreadsheet mate. One of the boards good guys, IMO of course.
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