If you use field position then there will games where similar field position dominance doesn't lead to the same score line i.e. the score line flatters one side or the other. One thing is pretty certain if you dominate field position it is going to difficult to get beat.

One thing that has a big influence on the result is the referee - that is difficult to factor into any calculation - a 7-1 penalty count against Leeds last week is not representative of the play. Also where the referee gives the penalties can have a big impact on the result

In this case the scoreline was 5 tries to 2, a ratio (30-12, 40-16 etc) that was just about fair considering the play. Goalkicks took the ratio down to under 2-1, which was flattering to Wigan.

Which is what I said - Leeds were better than the score suggested - to be only 2 points up at the break didn't reflect the run of play

Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Stats from the game... superleague.co.uk/report/11071'" Massive effort from Ward and JJB and 7 offloads from Cuthbertson, wow.

Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Stats from the game... superleague.co.uk/report/11071'" Massive effort from Ward and JJB and 7 offloads from Cuthbertson, wow.

They were all quality off loads from Cuthbertson too and lead to something positive.He threw a few last week at Wire that were never on but i suppose you have to take that sometimes with a player of his nature and it seems BM has given him free reign to just play his natural game and he is flourishing.

Teams will start to wise up and smother him but that should hopefully lead to more space for others to exploit.

Any news on how long Briscoe will be out for?

For me Hardaker solid in defence and brought the ball out well.
McGuire best game for a while and certainly plays better when controlling as opposed to having Sinfield there.
Sutcliffe when taking on the line and his short kicking game is good and needs to play more.
Aiton did well as did Singleton and JJB.
Delaney steady in his second game.
Cuthbertson MoM by a country mile
Ward tackling machine and ran some good lines.
Ablett poor with only Hall worse than him
Maybe when Achurch is fit he could replace Ablett?
Wigan a bit like Leeds at times with no idea what to do at half back.
Leeds forwards bossed theirs which says something.
And lastly how poor is Bowen?

4-6 weeks I heard

a display which went from sublime to the ridiculous. some great hands, some poor hands, some great defence some awful defence.

Sutcliffe was very good. sinfield wasn't missed which isn't a dig at him more a plus for Sutcliffe.
Hardaker was class and good to have him back.
the biggest disappoints were the inability to be ruthless and kill the game and not seeing the game out at the end. there were enough senior players, McGuire and burrow especially, to kick for position in the last 5 instead of playing stupid globetrotters style and trying to score from every play. very poor game management

we were talking about the use of playing advantage. nothing else

Wigan's forward aren't great to begin with but when Flanders doesn't play they're a VERY average team, their win percentage without him is something like 20%.

Having watched the game back today again impressed with ward and cuthbertson and Aiton. Another great desplay by JJB. Having a good year thus far. Does the dirty unglamerous work which every team needs

On playing advantage alone it's erroneous to compare the different sports. Different speeds, styles and rules make the advantage rule much easier to use in RU for example where the ref can play on for around 30 secs before bringing them back.

Ablett had a slow start to the season but for me was Man of the Match vs Hudds. Wasn't great yesterday and much of his performance centres around those two wasted chances.

I'll point out again, Moon only made 5 carries. Watching the game back, one of those came in the dying seconds when we flung it wide to Cuthbertson who was taking a breather out on the left and looked like "f**k this I'm knackered" and passed it to Moon who decided to take the tackle with so little time remaining. That leaves just 4 other carries in the previous 79m40s of play by him and Ablett looked terrified to pass to him in two try scoring opportunities. The first one in particular he seemed to be passing it and then at the last second realised it was Moon and though "hold on a second" and decided to throw it towards Hall's bootlaces instead.

Definately seems that there was a reluctance to use Moon.....a week after his concussion.....so firstly I wouldn't read too much into the performance of the left edge and secondly I'd question why we selected Moon to play, especially given the spotlight around head injuries of late.

You take it to to the next stoppage in play, simple as that. That is all takes. All he had to do was wait for a completion of tackle.

I disagree. nothing to stop a ref waiting 4/5 seconds before blowing. had silverwood done that last night it would have been great reffing. he blew too quickly.

Other than the Huddersfield game, and first 20 mins against Wire, he has looked poor in each game. He was not very good against Wigan, simple as that, nothing to do with Moon. If it was for the first 10 mins, then it would surely have been quickly realised there was no problem with Moon.

Perhaps it is just our expectation levels are much higher for Ablett after three impressive seasons from him. And perhaps because of that the pressure is felt by him, after all he is now one of our more veteran players, and a form of leader. We know he is much better, and I am sure it will click again.

No I agree he COULD'VE done but at the same time it wasn't exactly obvious that there was a pass on. Let's be honest Watkins has ended up throwning a speculator over his head that just so happened to come off. Could've waited a second or two longer but it wasn't so obvious that it was an awful reaction/decision to blow straight away.

TBF to the guy he probably realised straight away that maybe he could've played on.....but once the whistle goes it's very hard for him to take it back.

He didnt apologise though. Usually when a ref has blown up way too early they realise and apologise to the players. Instead arrogant silverwood just waved his whistle around as if he was completely in the right. Its that attitude that es players and fans off more than the crappy decision making.

I'm note blaming Silverwood mate, not his call. Just pointing out the inconsistency within the game that is driving people mad. Someone that is illegally 3 to 4 yards is ignored, yet half a yard in a different scenario is punished.

Of course they cheat. The decision against McGuire was indeed correct, but similar margins are ignored by the refs throughout every game. If a ref misses something in the heat of the moment, fair do's, but when they see players encroaching 2to3 yards beyond legal limits and choose to ignore it, they are cheating, they are not enforcing the rules. If a players chooses not to comply knowingly with the laws of the game he is cheating, if a referee chooses to ignore an offence, he is cheating. You have been brainwashed by current rhetoric, "ah well, it's the same for both sides". The problem is, it's not the same for both sides. Referees are supposed to enforce the laws of the game, not cut a bit of slack here and there, depending who it is. If people like you accept discretionary judgements by refs then don't come moaning on here when Leeds lose a Grand Final from a penalty awarded in the final minute, from a ref who is has used his discretion all night, and then decides to penalise Leeds in the last minute. Video refs have no excuse to get a decision badly wrong, Moons was obviously a no try, easy for them, no discretion involved because they would be hung, drawn and quarterd. The man in the middle and the touch judges however, choosing to ignore offside, moving off the mark, laying on, and lots of other little things throughout every game are cheats, they see a player breaking the laws of the game and don't penalise them. The next time you get a speeding fine just tell the judge, "Aww come on, it was only 33MPH in a 30". See what they say.

All teams particularly on their own line when defending are offside it's beyond a joke yet very rarely if ever are teams penalised. This part of the game drives me mad. Saints are worst offenders by a mile
The other is "head high tackles" that Stevo never stops going on about even if the tackle is shoulder high.
These two issues are for me personally spoiling what is or should be a physical game played in the right spirit.

There isn't a big enough faceplam for this post.

When Silverwood gave us a penalty in 2012 GF that Sinfield kicked for a fairly soft call against Ben Harrisoj did you think he was cheating? Or when the VR awarded Lee Smith dodgy looking offside try in the 2009 GF? Or when Thaler didn't go to the screen in the 2012 CC semi vs Wigan when Hardaker scored after McGuire clearly knocked on?

Refs get stuff wrong, it happens. It's frustrating and I thnk some need to up their game at times but it's definately NOT because they're trying to cheat.

Well depends which he way you want to interpret it.

A, he waved his whistle around as if he was completely right.

B, he waved his whistle as if to say "I've blown now, I can't play on after that".

But in this particular instance, he would only have had to wait five seconds. If Farrell completes the tackle on Watkins, blow up. If not - and it was pretty obvious that if Watkins got the ball away Leeds had a walk in try - then just play on. He can then go back and sin-bin Farrell after the try has been awarded.

As others have said, arguably if he blows for the penalty he has to give a penalty try. There's no way Farrell would have been able to get back, hit the try line to put himself onside and then make the tackle. Watkins had clearly caught the ball, and other than having his hands fall off would have just had to fall over the line and score.