He probably was, not saying much though is it.

Well it indicates he should not be written off quite so quickly. Some posters seem to have forgotten his big efforts in the first part of the season when we had no props and we had only lost 2 games in the first third of matches despite the injuries. Before his injury we were only losing games by a couple of points with the very odd exception.

He really wasn't. Crosby looked much better. But I wouldn't expect anything different from Sinfield, and exactly highlights why it needs someone not connected with the players for next season.

But JJB made more tackles, more marker tackles, more meters and more metres per carry and he also made more tackle busts and fewer missed tackles than Crosby and he played more minutes with a better work rate per minute. So his performance was more effective than Crosby which is why Sinfield made his comment.

Singleton also put in a high work rate per minute and made the most tackles but only made half the metres of JJB and less carries which were also less effective.

In that regard I completely agree, I think Furner has the chance to leave a permanent mark on the club, it's the sort of experience that's difficult to come by, a big club needing a total overhaul and a boss who sees it exactly the same way no doubt. Nobody will be expecting Furner to make us champions - even by the end of his three years.

McD should have gone in 2015. I was also not a hater but to allow the team to get to the state it's in now is borderline criminal. He was never able (apart from 2015) to show league consistency. We became a big game side, but that relied heavily on players that are now gone. So now we can't win a big game and all that's left is McD's speciality - crap league form.

And history repeats itself.......

Actually despite numbers from a sheet you have no way of knowing that. You wasn't there was you? You can obviously say what tackles were made and metres per carry, but you have no idea how effective they were, let's not pretend. You said yourself they played more minutes, so obviously the individual stats should be more, but I repeat that in no way determines effectiveness, which is the word you used.

Have you got a link to the stats, would be interesting to have a look

Maybe with hindsight but not many clubs will get rid of a coach who has just overseen the best season in the clibs history

A lot of people on here thought he should have gone end of 2015, myself included. He had won everything and had nothing left to prove or achieve with us and he should have left the clear out of the old guard to someone else there and then. Obviously the club were not going to push him but it just felt right imo for him to go along with the other greats who called it correct at the time to draw a line under the era.

Alot of people on here wanted him to go before 2011

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I’m sure that Delaney and Ablett could have been described as leeds best forward once or twice too this year, doesn’t mean they can put in the required level over the season. Sod it, let’s go round again next year with the retirement home back row.

The numbers for a sheet were the ones you were quite happy to quote yourself.

Just a little bit me difficult for me to attend live. However Sinfield is our DOR and chief coach and was there and specifically mentioned JJB for his effort and rated him our best forward. So I am sorry but I value his opinion much much higher that yours which is usually so biased.

The stats show in almost all aspects of the game JJB was more effective than Crosby including in his work per minute.

Sinfield clearly rates Walker a better fullback than Goulding, does his opinion carry as much value on this subject?

Brett Ferres' stats accurately sum up his performance.

But all three put in regular big shifts in the first part of the season when they had to do the hard stuff without any props and all three then were injured.

So I think we need first and foremost two props and a goalkicker who can manage a game. I also think JJB, Ablett and Delaney are better than Thompson or Ferris. It should be about performance and not age

This does not mean I think we do not need to recruit a big fast running back rower because we do but Thompson is not the answer.

My point is that the stats fully back up Sinfield's comments regarding JJB in this match. However I am not so sure they back up his choice of Walker over Golding at full back or Sutcliffe at stand off. I rate Walker highly especially in attack but I believe he would be more effective at stand off or even centre. His break that led to Parcell's try was the sort of break a half back makes.

Whilst he'll be limited by cap etc, it will be very interesting to see how Furner rates a number of players. I can see a few being in for a shock, and rightly so. Whilst Furner no doubt remembers JJB, Ablett and Sinfield, I doubt very much he'll take any account of that when picking a team. He'll probably be amazed that anyone he played with back in 2004 is still going around.

That's a better way of saying what I meant.

Quote ="christopher"Alot of people on here wanted him to go before 2011 '" We had a tough start to 2011 partly because our best forward and our 2010 player of the year were both out with knee reconstructs and even when they came back it took months for them to get properly fit. When they did we suddenly started to look pretty good. Didn't we win pretty much every game after the CC final defeat? Last third of the season was fantastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctkuUzJMXKA

Quote ="christopher"Alot of people on here wanted him to go before 2011 '" We had a tough start to 2011 partly because our best forward and our 2010 player of the year were both out with knee reconstructs and even when they came back it took months for them to get properly fit. When they did we suddenly started to look pretty good. Didn't we win pretty much every game after the CC final defeat? Last third of the season was fantastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctkuUzJMXKA

I wanted him gone 2013, and I am not one to gloat so will not, but everything I put for the reasons why I wanted him gone have come to fruition, just what I thought would end up the case. We have walked into this eyes wide open, and I am surpirsed so many are shocked to see where we are. I am still convinced we could have had success and a successful long term plan, and never believed the route we went down was correct.

Which is all very well, however, we have no way of knowing that if he had have gone in 2013 we would have won, 2 challenge cup titles, 2 SL titles and 1 League Leaders title.

We don't, and I actually don't think we would have won the lot, but I do think we would have won some. But more importantly we would/should have still been on the same path we were on, rather than taken backwards, and that is always what I have voiced.

Absolutely. This is all that matters, whatever we may argue on this message board.

That said I'm sure it won't be long before Furner's selection and rotation policy comes in for some criticism here