Just like 2010? It must rile you that your 'golden age' at Wigan have had to sit back and watch Leeds win title after title. If we win nothing next season, then let's have this conversation.

Starting it now, is merely setting you up for yet another fall.

And if you really want to take swipes at a club while you sit and fap yourself silly to every response, maybe the 6 times Super League winners are the wrong target. May I suggest Huddersfield?

Are we taking bets on when LSOW will return should the Wigan get beat tommorow?

Wigan's golden age in 2010? Aren't you forgetting the late 80s and 90s? Probably for the best being a Leeds fan.

Point still stands, Leeds are in a team in decline, I've just outlined that.

No matter what happens tomorrow, winning the CC and getting to the GF is a big achievement for any team.

Especially if you do it back to back.

It is, no issue there. Leeds have been a great team, some excellent players especially in recent years, but now they're on the decline. Stars are ageing, results v Wire and Wigan shows how things have now changed.

Leeds aren't the force they once were, they're in decline, thats the whole point.

What about other players? That Dorian Gray from the academy seems to be bucking the trend.

So the defeats to Wigan and Warrington show a Leeds team in decline?

What do the wins over Wigan and Warrington in the same season show, just out of interest?

Leeds have been Wrote before,but the thing is you lot have not been here in this context for quite a while.It shows how Leeds succes in a Salary capped League has really annoyed you.Leeds have had their success and are the best run club in SL.Wigan had theirs and went bankrupt.I was impartial before this mush came on a thread about Signing Briscoe ,but its Wire all the way now their fans are a decent lot.I mean when you signed Feilden we never said you were in decline because we all know you couldn't any lower.Ask Cas

Look at your performances v Wigan and Wire, spot the line between that and your ageing players. Doesn't take a genius to see how some of your stars aren't performing to the same standard they did a few years back.

It happens to all players, and often teams hit a decline when a number of players who are all hitting their decline together.

My team don't have any stars. We used to have one but he left.

Leeds having success in the SC era has really annoyed me? Sorry I don't ever remember saying that. You seem to be now making up things.

Point is I've mentioned and supported my point, Leeds are on the decline. What's your point in reference to that exactly?

You'll have to expand.

Actually nothing. At the end of the day it's about getting to the finals and winning. Wigan and Warrington both won when it mattered. Wigan winning the CC and getting to the final, Wire for getting to the GF.

Leeds have lost the big games that mattered this year. That doesn't mean they are in decline, it just means they weren't good enough. We will only know if we are in decline in 6-12 months time with the benefit of hindsight.

If Wigan fail to win tomorrow, would their fans see the season as a sucess? Lost two of their most influencial players, won a cup by default, and has a fairly poor league campaign. It really is an all or nothing game for Wigan.

Personally, I think they'll win. But i'd love Wire to win, just so we don't get all the Wigan posters bragging on here

So when you won sod all in 2012 did that make you a team in decline?

So the goalposts are now moved from "Leeds are in decline because they lost to Wigan and Warrington" to "Leeds are in decline because they didn't make either major final".

Keep going, you'll find something to support your theory eventually. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Lol. How the tables do turn. When Leeds supporters dared to state such things I am pretty sure Wigan supporters vehemently disagreed along the lines of it devaluing the league campaign and final positionings

You couldn't be more wrong. Wigan have had the most successful season of all SL teams already, the only team to get to both finals, and so far won 1 of the 2. Even if they win tomorrow they'll have had the most successful season of all SL teams.

The league means nothing, you should know that as a Leeds fan.

Leeds are on the decline, you'd simply rephrased the same point by saying 'they weren't good enough'. In past years they were good enough, and now they're not, hence the decline.

All I'm saying, and I'll stick to the point is that Leeds are on the decline. Nothing anyone has said has proven otherwise.

Based on your nonsensical theory, Wigan have more inclines and declines than any other team in Super League. Declines happen over a long period of time, not one season. But I suspect you know that.

Weren't Leeds supposed to be a team in decline back in 2010?
Weren't Wigan at the start of a period of dominance?

One of the reasons I've never liked (many) Wigan fans is their unbelievable level of arrogance, which is very surprising because for the last 20 years or so, they've been distinctly average at best. 4th most succesful club in Super League.

Admittedly we've all been reminded 19 zillion times about the way they bought success pre Super League...but what has that given them?
No Ground and having to play 2nd fiddle to a footy team? Wow...A fantastic legacy of the success!
I can't see Headingley being turned into a Tesco superstore any time in the future.

I've never mentioned 2010, not once.
No matter what Wigan's history is, it has no barring on Leeds being in decline.
Wigan Warriors v Wigan Latics is a total different debate, one I've not passed comment on.

Really? I have no idea.