Im often critical of the side and how they are playing.

Difference is I dont want players and coaches sacking after every loss

In fairness I don't see any lack of effort. I do see a lack of pacey game breaking players. If Wigan didn't have French we win that game comfortably. We need to spend our money wisely this year and a try and come up with a couple of players like that.

I certainly don’t want the coach or players sacked after poor performance. However at the end of season the club will have to make a decision regarding smith. Not progressing in the cup once again is woeful, brushing aside Newmans blunder we were second best, the score was flattering due to Wigans goal kicking failure. Personally if we don’t end up the top four I would consider that a failed season. On that basis smith should be sacked.

At the risk of stating the blindingly obvious Wigan had French and we had nobody or game plan to match him.

Yeah because the likes of Bevan French, who want to be in SL grow on tree’s! But let’s not just get lucky and find one, but several!!
We need to get real and work with what we have….
(Sorry for the sarcasm, but getting a bit tired of people already looking to replace half the squad)

Not bothered about the sarcasm you have a right of opinion like anyone else on this board. I certainly don’t want to replace half of the squad. However at the season end the playing squad along with the coaches will have to be judged on results. We have no god given right to be a regular top four occupant ,but we are one of the biggest clubs in the league so mid table is not good enough. Nor is being dumped out of the challenge cup at the first opportunity.

Fair play. But we’re a mile off being top 4 at the minute. We took our eye off grassroots RL in the area and bought into tjis ridiculous marquee garbage, which has done nothing for the British game. And yes I did say it at the time. Fans were crying out for ‘marquee’ signings, now look at us. The marquee thing was a mad cap idea by someone who knew nothing about RL, and abandoned ship the minute things got too hard. Could take 10 years to bring through genuine stars again. It’s either be patient and accept where we’re at, or have s break (which is fine too!).

Did French not play the week before?

We are never as bad as we think not are we ever as good.

We are miles off where a club of Leeds resources and fanbase should be and have been for a long time. Think that’s why people are hacked off.

It’s sport we don’t have a right to be anywhere. We’re noy entitled to anything.

Anyway People on here were hacked off when we were winning titles galore. Perhaps the poster earlier is correct i should probably give this place a miss for a while after 24 years of being on SS the negativity is getting too much for me.

Rohan seems to want this squad to organically develop it own ethos, leaders and style which is why I think at the moment we are so hit or miss.
The problem we have is the leader part just isn’t coming on at all, players looking for someone else to say something, do something or organise something and it’s so obviously our Achilles heel.

My twopenneth on Newman is the only way he’s going to learn is that he’s going to have to go through it and he ran the full gamut of that yesterday for all the good there was bad, hopefully there was a frank conversation after the game in house but the only thing we can do now is move on.

That’s not how I felt at the time admittedly but after I’ve calmed down and dust has settled that’s all we can do.

Some young players have that naturally rugby brain, and just know when to make a pass. Others have to learn it, despite all the talent…..

you need structure or some semblance of a plan. there's nothing there. it all seems to be just play what's in front of you

Just as well we were only playing a very average Leeds side then eh?

Correct. The standard is pretty poor this year.

I would say we are slightly below average.
But like I said 14 nil up at home against an average Wigan side missing some decent players and we should have won.
And if you think that was a good Wigan performance you are deluded.

Don’t worry everything is garbage according to some.

The better team won on the day, no question. We're a decent side, nothing more at this stage. Some semblance of consistency would be good to see. Consistency allows progress to be measured and action, where necessary, to be taken. I'm sure it'll come, and Rome wasn't built in a day. But it was built.

I said a couple. It can be done, because other teams do it, don't they? Or am I missing something? Of course, when I say good players I don't mean Segayro and Hardaker, your two perennial candidates for a return to the glory days.

I thought we were decent in the second half yes but more dogged and committed than good. So if you are below average, how do you beat an average side? Your original point indicated you should be beating a side like Wigan when the Leeds one isn't all that good either. We all want a return to the glory days but financial constraints and the rise of the NRL's millions makes it very difficult for now (And they still don't have a better WCC record despite all their posturing) Iv'e embraced the fact that without Wigan and Leeds in particular constantly churning out youth then rugby league would be dead in this country. The rest of SL needs to up it's game. Wigan, Leeds, Saints and Warrington are propping the game up in this country. The problem of 'average sides' (though i am quite happy) isn't the fault of Wigan or Leeds.

I agree mate.
I`m saying that you had some of your better players missing and were 14 nil down away and we blew it.
I don`t think we are that good but much better than we have been for several years.
Imo I didn`t think Wigan were top of their game but you deserved to win yet a moment of madness by Newman cost us.
You have some very good youngsters coming through once again.

You'd be missed mate. I lost my Dad earlier this year. He took me to Headingley for the first time when he was six and he finally gave up his season ticket a couple of years ago. Almost from game one ( Widnes at home) my glass was half full and his was half empty. We bickered incessantly about it all our lives. I always thought I was the fan and he was the carping misery guts, yet when Sinny lifted the championship in 2004 tears were running down his face. It meant everything to him. My point, if I have a point, is that people express their love/devotion in different ways, but that doesn't mean they don't want the same thing. I like to think that's true of this forum. Grumps and cheerleaders alike ultimately we all want Leeds to be the best. Clearly I''ve had a scotch too many and tomorrow I'll be tearing my hair out when somebody suggests Smith should be sacked, but tonight I'm feeling reasonable.

And all men are equal but some are more equal than others!

Lovely post

I'd say that for a fair period you were as good as you thought to be fair. Annoyingly..!