Actually I forgot about them, cant believe an NRL team didnt pick them up, I might actually prefer them to even Powell, lets start a campaign!

Not if we end up in the championship

If I was a Clark or Gale with aspirations of winning honours or silverware then the last close season would have convinced me to sign on the dotted line....looking at the rapid demise of the club now to rock bottom wooden spoonists with a real theat of relegation ....I'm no longer so sure.

We will either be the Bradford MK2 who nobody of note is now interested in joining; or Salford MK2 - or indeed Leeds of old - who can only attract players by chucking money at them (with all the "success" that brings)

Well to be honest I dont want any players who say they want to win trophies, but in actual fact want to play in a team where someone else wins it for them- look how well Sterlings done at man city, or indeed a few aussie imports did with us in the past

If a player like Gale or Clarke came I would expect them to want to make a difference, we have had plenty of player come who have been happy to ride along as someone else wins stuff for them and none were still with us last year hence the treble

At the end of the day your team have gone to the dogs. That team tonight was full of quality and should not be going down 52-18 regardless of the squad they came up against. You have enough senior players in the squad like JJB, Burrow and McGuire to have the mental toughness to hang in a game but you're playing so weak. Your team are speaking about training and morale actually being good during the week so Brian hasn't lost the dressing room. I honestly don't think it's his doing this fall from grace. You're just not working for each other like you were last year.

Getting a collection of individuals to work as a team is THE MAIN PART OF A COACH'S JOB.

beat me too it

I don't know what's more terrifying.

The players all doing everything they can and getting tonked by 50 every week.

Or the players not putting in 100% and letting us languish at the bottom.

Either way we are f*cked. totally f*cked.

They're grown men. They should be doing that off their own backs. The main part of a coaches job is to identify weaknesses in the opposition and make plans to exploit it. But if the players don't have the work ethic that's on them, BM can't do anything after they step onto the field. Blaming a coach for that on the pitch tonight is a weak argument. Maybe one could be made for his team selection though, surely you have someone in the academy who'd put in more effort than Galloway does?

He can certainly do something at half time though, think he has made a good impact he last 2 weeks?

....Hmmmm....maybe the young championship player of the year 2015 might just do. Cough!

The coaches job is to make sure the players individually and collectively play well. Leeds have played terrible all season. Mcdermott takes responsibility. If I was a manager and my team were performing abysmally i could hardly turn round to my boss and say ''not my fault sir, they should be performing well off their own backs''.

''Oh great, if they should be doing it off their own backs we don't need you, you're fired''.

Your point about bringing others in i agree with, but Galloway is a poor example mate, he may not be a great import but in recent times has been one of the better players and certainly given effort that is unfair imo.

Also, McDermott sets up the team, how he wants them to play identifies things that need to change from week to week.With performances getting worse and nothing seemingly being addressed either A. the players have stopped listening to him and don't really care anymore in general or B. he doesn't have a clue what to do and with the players anymore who are so badly out of form he is being shown up for being a coach with no Plan B.Either way it ultimately has to lay at his door that we are rock bottom after 16 games with performances so bad opposition fans are ridiculing us, including the whipping boys for which we are now firmly a part of.

If things dont change then Mac will have actually finished bottom more time than top

GH obviously hasnt got the balls to sort this situation out. Im just praying Caddick steps in and removes them both this week. Neither have showed any leadership qualities and both have to go to save the club form the financial meltdown the inevitable relegation with the current management will bring

GH has the balls he has shown that in the past - I don't agree with everything the club does but I couldn't think of a better person to be in charge of the club.

What he needs is more support through an injection of new blood in the rugby management of the club i.e. revised coaching structure, recruitment review and overhaul of youth development. That need external expertise IMO - a couple of people with fresh eyes and different experiences outside of the Leeds Rhinos. Maybe its time for a new conditioner, a director of rugby, head of youth development etc.

It's all very well to say get rid of McDermott, but who's available to replace him that might make a difference? In my opinion what you need is a boot camp style coach in the Craig Bellamy mould, but I can't think of anyone who's available who fits the description.

It is a fair point, but that is for GH to identify.If needs be though we get an interim in to guide us through the rest of this year, Mcdermott needs removing for his own sanity as well as the good of the dressing room, how many more of the torturous post match press conferences does he want to sit through? because its a hot Catalans next week, it doesn't get any easier.

From an outsiders perspective BM comes across as morose and negative. Your team needs some energy and for the players to play with no fear. It looks like nobody really wants to step up and make a name for themselves as like i said their is a fear of failure. It seems some of the "kids" are not up to the required standard and your signings have been VERY POOR. Still i reckon when you get Moon back in the team you will improve significantly.......what a player he is.

I'd go as far as to say we are now unequivocably the top of the table of whipping boy super league rabble. ...with no sign of any slowest of the slowest turnaround we are all hoping for. We are still inexorably heading (getting faster) onto the rocks of total disaster.

All of whom will be GH appointments. So he'd have to admit he got it wrong first time around, and he's way too stubborn for that.

Just on the whipping boy rabble thing, you had fans taking their tops off and twirling them around when ferres scores last night,


It's a little sad to see,

There will be someone who can come until the end of the season and see to it that the team isn't getting thrashed every week and then relegated. Leeds can sort out long term options in the winter. But right now actions needs to be taken.

The issue is when BMac was appointed - if I remember correctly there was a statement which said job for life "

I think Leeds have some issues that won't be easily solved if McD is replaced.

The pack concerns me the most. IMO the current pack has only one forward, Ferres, who is currently capable of producing top level SL performances from both a physical and ability perspective. Ablett and Ward would join him if fit. The others appear to have either failing bodies, insufficient fitness or lack of ability. Some have a combination.

I'm not that keen on the indiscipline of Ferres. Penalty count has gone down but the daft kicking ball away when Jimmy k knocked on does not help the team. Cuthbertson is a real talent but this elbow/ arm issue
which was there last season appears to be hampering his game.

With half back issues as well and not much to come from
the academy for a year or two, I am not convinced that say Powell at cas would want to come back, regardless of pay. He was moved out as the golden generation came through. He has missed the best 12 years and will be under more pressure at Leeds.

A few alternatives for Leeds that could be implemented fairly quickly to try and help McD.

1)Bring in another person to change the dynamic. Sinfield as asst coach, kicking coach, mind coach, guru, witch doctor, defence coach - whatever just get him in.

2) bring in a sports psychologist to lift confidence etc.

3) bring in an old hand like noble short term to give a counter point.

not saying these are ideal options but the group all look like they could do with some help to seek to keep Leeds up which is the one and only goal now.

Can see you hiring Brian Smith to see you through the middle 8s then sacking it 5 games in when Hetheringron rejects his takeover bid... Wait.



In all seriousness, Brian Mc after the success he has brought your club deserves another season to atone for this, and to get rid of the many spineless players cough cough Hardaker.