In previous years I might agree with the sentiment of waiting until mid-season, but we already look like a side shredded of confidence. This is Agar's third season as coach, he's not new to the job and I'm bored of 'we'll review the video' or 'we'll be better when we get bodies back' only for some of the same horribly out of form (or position) players to be picked again despite mind-blowingly poor efforts, either in whole or at critical times in the game. There are always choices and changes that can be made, even with injuries.

I strongly believe that with the same squad and injuries we would be a lot better under Woolf or any other top class coach. Wigan look a different side under a new coach as well, and not just because they have some players back. They lost a halfback early and their coach commented how the team adjusted quickly themselves without him needing to input. That sounds like a team that has a plan and knows what to do in difficult circumstances. The opposite of Leeds.

While Catalans finished second last year that wasn't their best team. If they'd had their first choice forwards we would have been mullered.

I only watched the last half hour, but it was pretty dire. I agree with most the sentiments on here, we send to really lack cutting edge. On paper we have the best halves in the league, but seemed to create little. What we did create was butchered. In the period I watched we didn't put in an attacking kick at any point. Last season I thought it was an ok option to run on the 5th and turnover in a controlled manner, as without specialist kickers it was a safe option. Now we should have people who should be able to test opposition defenders on the last tackle.

I don't understand how bodene Thomson gets a game. Offers nothing, and at fault for one of their tries. Briscoe offers little. Suffice looked alright and at least made decent breaks, but fluffed one of them that would have led to a score. I didn't see prior or learning last night. Were they injured too?

If this was last year, 0 from 3 but competing would have been ok. For a team to be supposedly challenging at the top I don't think it's acceptable

I’m starting to think that Agar’s boring gameplan and bizarre rigidity in centre selections is stifling the team. I really will if move him upstairs now and give Longy a go for rest of season. Has the experience now, and I’d love to see Magsy brought in as assistant. Surely two exiting ex-halfbacks could at least inject some style back?

SUTCLIFFE AND BRISCOE ARE NOT CENTRES.

jeez

One of the poorest games I've seen for ages.
Even worse than last week for me, because actually Cats were there for the taking and we were totally devoid of any strike.
Wigan were far better than us, so I can accept that more than last night.

We had plenty of opportunity in their 20 to win that game.
But we are clueless in attack.
I'm so disappointed with Sezer - again he was anonymous.
As said, Smith is a liability in defence, just pure lazy 6 agains every time. It kills us.
And the passing across the line is diabolical.
It starts with Dwyer. When the first receiver has to collect the ball from behind his head, he is immediately under pressure to get his pass away quickly, so that pass to second receiver is rubbish as well.
Every player along the line has to stop or reach back for the ball. It completely kills the attack.

As said, the centres are just not good enough.
Tindall did OK again, but exposed in defence a bit.
I thought the 3 props, Prior, Mik and Tet did a good job to lay the platform and get us good field position.
But totally let down by the halves and 3/4's.

I know we're only 3 games in and there's some knee jerk.
But the coaching is a massive issue.
We look really badly coached.
Devoid of ideas, motivation, discipline, direction, leadership, any sort of plan. There looks to be no game plan at all.
Coaching basics.
We have to be looking elsewhere for next season.

That performance last night struggles against Wakey, HKR and Salford, never mind Wigan & Wire.
I daren't even mention the S word, because they are a million miles ahead of us.

Get some bodies back, a bit of luck, keep our discipline......
Same old story.

I'm already looking ahead to next season.....

Oh, and to top it off, the pitch is an absolute disgrace!

I enjoy going to wakefield away, however it is a dump.

You’re looking ahead to next season, after 3 games?

I wasn’t overly impressed last night at all but come on there’s a long way to go and we haven’t had a settled team yet.

FWIW I don’t think agar will be head coach next year.

He shouldn't have been head coach this year. If the plan is to move him upstairs, surely the perfect timing would have been at the end of last season filling the vacant DOR role.

Done a good job in stabilizing us, a decent, honest and media friendly guy. We needed to apply the same focus in recruiting a new head coach as we did with new players.

Depends who was available surely?

We have played 3 that will all be in the top four so far, so not overly worried about results.

I think without Newman, we lack a lot of zip in the backline. Whether Newman is back or not next week, I'd really like to see Broadbent given a run in the team. I think he would actually do better than Walker at fullback.

Austin will be decent, and I'm sure Sezer will come good. Martin will add a lot as well attack wise, so we should be due a better performance next week.

Out of our props, I thought Tet was our best. I'm slightly worried we've all rated Mik a little further on than he actually is right now, because McMeekan looked his equal (if not better) up front tonight, and he was poor last week.

In 2020 Saints lost 3 out of 6 with their fans wanting Woolf out - things can change

I don’t think Mik is 100% fit

Sezer hasn’t played for a long time and weve a full back whos been out for 2 years.

Our next 3 are winnable if we can get those wins things look a bit different

Agree with plenty on here. Will try and find something different to say.
They had 1-7,9,11,12 & 13 playing and were missing 3 of best 4 props. Thought we still got dominated a bit physically.
They made a fair few errors as well but when they went wide the passing was far better with the quality of Tomkins a key part.
Thought Sezer kicked well first half , forced at least 2 drop outs and I thought Austin got stuck in a lot second half and looked our main threat. Neither were brilliant but they have so little to work with outside them and so much of our play is so slow, when we try and play faster the accuracy of passing fails.
The return of 3rd rate kick and giggle is the reason the pitch looks like an Egyptian rag and bone man’s back garden.
Hope Alex Mellor is OK this morning.
Finally, I’m counting my blessings today that I support this lot and LUFC rather than Dynamo Kiev.

The pitch is an embarrassment. I was dragged to Cas vs Salford. The pitch was literally a carpet, Stadium falling to bits but has that nostalgic charm….

I suspect you maybe a Shamrhino and an undercover carpet carrier Shabs.
“Nostalgic charm” for wheldon road, you make it sound like the Taj Mahal, the real one not the takeaway.

A disappointing lack lustre display, running out from the play the ball area was slow and predictable. Whilst we persist with the present combination we will struggle against decent sides. Wouldn’t have briscoe in the team never mind in the position. Why agar thinks a bog standard winger will succeed as a is bizarre. At the moment I can’t see what Sean Long bring to the team.
Lose at wakey and the alarm bells will be ringing out.

The pitch is being relayed isn’t it? That’s why weve got a block of away games (unless its for other reasons?)

I think the reason so many are unhappy is because the same kinds of issues keep coming up.

If GH/ Agar can't get the players of quality we need or motivate/ keep discipline/ play to a plan/ etc etc then changes need to happen and happen soon.

My point is that a club with no budget has a great pitch. With all the resources Leeds has its embarrassing. But I am actually a carpet carrier/fitter! How did you know? Are you the ‘pie man ‘ who i fitted last week?

I completely agree about the pitch, it is embarrassing.
I can picture you now with a roll of carpet tucked under each arm as you merrily whistle sweet Caroline.
Sadly, I’m not the “pie man”, but wish I was. Where Does he reside?

Funny isn`t it as Mat Smith gave his player ratings for Leeds Live and he picked Briscoe and Sutcliffe as our best performers with both getting 7/10.
Our half backs imo were not very good and Walker again stiffled any attack we had.
The pack was outplayed by Catalans second string pack and Mik played far too many minutes.
Both our hookers put together were totally outshone by McIllouram.
Wakefield is already becoming a must win next week I feel.

Do you mean Matt Shaw? As an aside ive lost a lot of respect for him after his nonsense he was spouting last week on twitter

Wigan……

Brilliant

It could be Matt Shaw my mistake if so.

I think the problem is that as a pair Briscoe and Sutcliffe are uninspiring. However, they are not a pair. They are individuals working different sides of the pitch. I don't actually have much problem with Sutcliffe. He offers some strike and made a few decent breaks on Thursday. Briscoe on the other hand is terrible. Offer little threat. Not fast, not busting tackles, no hands. Just filling a shirt. A workmanlike player can do a job in the pack, but you need your three-quarters to make some impact