Achurch - 19 tackles and 0 carries

Even Cameron Smith made 3 carries when he came on.

completely agree about Watkins. One pass from sutcliffe was about 70 miles an hours at his head. Other teams know he is the genuine danger and are up on him quickly. He is not getting any of the sympathetic ball from a sinfield short pass. He is also doing a lot of good work in defence. also agree about penalties and basic errors.

But what do we do if one of our wingers gets injured then? the stupidity of the cap writ large.

Saying that im a big fan of Handley and think he can go as far as he wants.

Zero carries? That's shocking. He should not play again for Leeds. I've said before Baldwinson should be in selected even if that means putting Singleton in second row. He has a bit of pace and certainly can't do any worse than Achurch

Zero carries.

ZERO CARRIES!

Anyone think last years championship player of the year, playing out of position, would have contributed less?

In case of injury we keep developing the kids in our system. I just think I'm my honest opinion Handley is too good to be a back when I speculate our 2 and 5 will be on good money for wingers.

I just think with the cap Handley is good enough to free up space by losing one of Briscoe or Hall

I think you are letting your views on Hardaker cloud your judgement of Golding. Any full back worth his salt would have done better with the high kicks last night. As for quoting statistics regarding Golding and Hardaker, it's pretty pointless. Hardaker is one of the our biggest metre makers week on week, and is always near the top for carries, but that has absolutely nothing to do with Golding's stats or performances. If Hardaker is fit he is a shoe in at full back, he has been one of our best players this season, and has carried the team in certain games. Last weeks injury he received was one that has been coming for a long time, he's had plenty of killer passes when he's been asked to carry the ball from our line, but last week's took the biscuit. Until our forwards become fitter, more aggressive coming away from our line, and the team in general takes on as much responsibility as Hardaker, anyone playing at full back is going to have a real job on his hands. Golding copped for some pearlers from Brough last night, but let's not start trying to make excuses for him by clouding the issue and referencing Hardaker who wasn't even playing.

But we dont have a young player the quality of Handley and expecting to bring one through every couple of years is crazy.

Was pretty disappointed with Singleton as it goes last night.

That is disgusting, he should be nowhere near a Leeds shirt for the rest of the year. Kirke even managed more than that back in the day and he only used to do 5 minute peacock breaks.

Maybe ...but Achurch never playing again for Leeds ought to be a priority now

I think Hicks had him in his crosshairs from minute one, possibly expecting he'd need to keep a close eye on him. A couple of the penalties were no worse than things other people got away with during the game.

Like Ablett, I think he's one of those players that referees pay particular attention to during games.

I'd agree he's had a poor start to the year, I thought he'd really kick on and look at cementing a starting spot this year.

God help us going forward then ...with us having the 2 of them as probably our 1st choice second row pair for the next couple of seasons

Part of a deep malaise? It does make you wonder what Baldwinson has to do to get his opportunity with crap and seemingly out of form forwards still getting selected ahead of him

He's had plenty of early ball at different times this season, and done nothing with it. He had a couple of opportunities one on one with Brough last night, and was easily tackled without even threatening to beat a man.

At the moment he's at best poor, at worst a liability with ball in hand. Even defensively, while he's making tackles he missed a clear interception and 90 metre run to the line last night by letting the ball slip through his hands.

He deserves every single bit of the criticism he's getting.

Thought so. Never hit the ball up once and in his first spell at least, he was third man in the tackle every time. No way he was first in 19 times - more like 2-3. His effort at marker was also non existent. That first spell when Hudds were all over us we were playing with 4 forwards. Galloway, Garbutt, JJB and Ferres.

We'll have to disagree on that one.

Looking at the team sheet last night I do wonder if one of the centres had gotten injured (or back 3 with Watkins moving to their position) who would've filled in at centre? Could it be why Smith got in ahead of Baldwinson for last night? Could Smith have potentially been lined up as filling in at centre IF we needed to do that at some point last night. Who else could've done? Ferres or Walters? Too big/lack of speed to cover there now surely?

For all the injuries we've had this year in the backs, pivots and second row.....our props barring Cuthbertson have stayed injury free.

Oh that one was a killer. Looked dead set that we'd concede but Brough gave us a lifeline by trying, unnecessarily IMO, to miss too many teammates out with a very long cut out pass to Ormsby.....all Watkins had to do was catch the thing and more than likely no one is catching him, at worst we'd be 70/80m down field against a scattered and retreating defence.

When you contribute as little as our props have this season no chance of getting injured

He was injured, hadn't trained all week. I am not trying to defend him, but the coach puts him in Injured, not himself. Someone not fit simply can't put in the same as a fully fit player. He also wasn't alone in that regard.

Again Baldwinson talked about, when will people understand he is a prop, a prop. Galloway and Garbutt have been two of our best players for last two weeks. To play Baldwinson it will have to be at the expense of Singleton or Mullalley. I don't see those names mentioned when talking about Baldwinson playing, if I did I could understand.

I also don't understand these comments on youngsters learning. I looked at that side last night, and I honestly can't see more than four of those playing in the next four years. Out of interest who are been classed as youngsters? Sure the learning is brilliant for Lilley, who is a massive positive for us, and really does like someone with a bright future. Smith coming on, we know he has a great future, all it takes is the right development, and any coach would love to have him. Handley learning well, or at least before last night, someone just needs to work on his catching, but then again still an improvement on Hall in that regards.

Having thought we would get hammered before the game with that side, I am somewhat gutted we lost. I don't know how we lost it. Huddersfield are a very poor side, and it was there for Leeds to take. Certain players are working incredibly hard. Certain players are working incredibly hard but are really dumb. Certain players are simply not performing. But out of all that I just hold on to the fact that Lilley does look the bees knees.

Meters made
Hudds - 1268
Leeds - 1293

So we were fine there

But tackles made
Hudds - 305
Leeds - 367

Having to make 62 more tackles, effectively 10 extra sets took its toil in the last quarter. That came from penalties, knock ons and dropped kicks gifting Hudds too much possession especially in good position near our line which we scrambled really well to protect. Some try line stops last night were great.....certainly not the defensive effort of a team that has no faith in the coach or a lost dressing room.

Quite right Printer. Gifted possession cost us the game with Sutcliffe and Watkins leading culprits.

Spot on. Of our 4 props, like you said Galloway and Garbutt are doing well (the latter is averaging 130m a game). Mullally is doing ok, room to improve but coming on ok. Singleton really out of the 4 hasn't done too well but with some fans academy guys get more slack to underperform than a signing such as Galloway.