Tell you what, why don't we see what an independent view of the whole incident came up with.

I think you'll find the link to one further up the page.

So either you're the only one who saw that incident the way you say it happened, or....

You really are fooking duma$$ arnt you?

You just said it right there....."We obviously give a ****" WE meaning Huddersfield Giants. Whereas at the min your telling Leeds Rhinos fans - fans that couldnt give a to$$ whether he gets a ban.

And whats with the "

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I would have to agree with flyingprop on this one Ali does swing at him from the floor and to be fair to Raleigh he stands and waits for him to get up before having a wild swing.

If you & Flying Prop consider that Ali's actions are equal to what Raleigh did then I despair.

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2 weeks wages is a bit unfair.

Yes I'm sure there are plenty of spectators queing up to give Lauitiiti a dig.

Sorry mate but nowhere have I condoned what Andy did nor have I said it's equal whatsoever, what I did say numerous times and was told I was talking rubbish was that Ali swung 1st, that's all, seems after reviewing the incident the RFL tend to agree.

Gone quiet on this issue now on here?

Despair all you want but learn to read first.

I already have over the way we played.
I hope Friday's effort's are better.
It's not for want of effort, though, it's a general lack of nous - particularly near the line.

I watched the incident last night on Boots n all the tries and I am not sure Ali swung a punch at Raleigh! I think Ali tried to push Raleigh off him rather than punch, as I don't think Ali liked being held by Raleigh when he did not have the ball. However, Raleigh stands and then Ali clearly gives him some verbal while getting up, then Raleigh swings at him (and misses), but it was a clear and deliberate effort to punch Ali (albeit clearly provoked).

I think the Ref got the call spot on by binning them both and also giving Leeds the penalty and I also think that Raleigh was the only one of the two guilty of actual intended foul play warranting a disciplinary appearance and that is why he was summoned to appear. I think that, given Ali had clearly given him some verbal, a fine and not a ban was a good call by the RFL.

I think anyone who can not see that this would be a fair reflection of the incident needs to take their respective tinted specs off!

I think Andy Raleigh having received a 'written warning on record' a mere five weeks ago from the same disciplinary panel can indeed count himself fortunate to have escaped a playing ban for a second =#FF0000Guilty verdict of the season. www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... hp?id=1555

I think Andy Raleigh having received a 'written warning on record' a mere five weeks ago from the same disciplinary panel can indeed count himself fortunate to have escaped a playing ban for a second =#FF0000Guilty verdict of the season. www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... hp?id=1555

Got to love the "lucky dip" disciplinary panel eh?



Thats almost as good as banning players for games that mysteriously co-incide with important playoff / league / cup games.

Not to worry they balance it up by banning players that should clearly have been sent off on the day. www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... hp?id=1674 I think the RFL should also have had words with the Salford try scorer (Tyrer) whose try celebration consisted of hoofing the ball with considerable force which impacted the face of an opponent (Sharp). Whether accidental or not that has never been an appropriate act of celebration. I realise it was at the Stoop (and as such no spectators were therefore in any danger) but I've seen it done at Headingley where on one occasion a female spectator took the full force of the ball in the face. Many thanks to Steve Prescott on that occasion, I hadn't laughed so much in ages even though it wasn't in the least bit funny.

Not to worry they balance it up by banning players that should clearly have been sent off on the day. www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... hp?id=1674 I think the RFL should also have had words with the Salford try scorer (Tyrer) whose try celebration consisted of hoofing the ball with considerable force which impacted the face of an opponent (Sharp). Whether accidental or not that has never been an appropriate act of celebration. I realise it was at the Stoop (and as such no spectators were therefore in any danger) but I've seen it done at Headingley where on one occasion a female spectator took the full force of the ball in the face. Many thanks to Steve Prescott on that occasion, I hadn't laughed so much in ages even though it wasn't in the least bit funny.

Quote ="tvoc"I think Andy Raleigh having received a 'written warning on record' a mere five weeks ago from the same disciplinary panel can indeed count himself fortunate to have escaped a playing ban for a second =#FF0000Guilty verdict of the season. www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... hp?id=1555'" Did not realise that but I do think that handbags (which this was) in most cases is less serious than reckless or deliberate foul play. I do now think he was fortunate though. I suspect that Flying Perp will not see it that way though eh?

Quote ="tvoc"I think Andy Raleigh having received a 'written warning on record' a mere five weeks ago from the same disciplinary panel can indeed count himself fortunate to have escaped a playing ban for a second =#FF0000Guilty verdict of the season. www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... hp?id=1555'" Did not realise that but I do think that handbags (which this was) in most cases is less serious than reckless or deliberate foul play. I do now think he was fortunate though. I suspect that Flying Perp will not see it that way though eh?

Quote ="tvoc"Not to worry they balance it up by banning players that should clearly have been sent off on the day. www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... hp?id=1674 I think the RFL should also have had words with the Salford try scorer (Tyrer) whose try celebration consisted of hoofing the ball with considerable force which impacted the face of an opponent (Sharp). Whether accidental or not that has never been an appropriate act of celebration. I realise it was at the Stoop (and as such no spectators were therefore in any danger) but I've seen it done at Headingley where on one occasion a female spectator took the full force of the ball in the face. Many thanks to Steve Prescott on that occasion, I hadn't laughed so much in ages even though it wasn't in the least bit funny.'" I think it was clear Red but we do seem to have this problem with linesman not willing to tell the ref what he thought and if he does the ref's then following through unless they have personally seen it. It is clearly the linesman job, as I understand the guidance, to keep an eye of the kicker after the ball has been kicked and not the ref's. The report system is the flaw in the rules for me and gives the ref an excuse not to follow through with punishment, even if the linesman has seen and commented on the incident. I would hope the RFL would indeed send Tyrer a letter and tell him to calm down his overenthusiastic celebrations, poor old Sharp got it full in the mush... owww!

Quote ="tvoc"Not to worry they balance it up by banning players that should clearly have been sent off on the day. www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... hp?id=1674 I think the RFL should also have had words with the Salford try scorer (Tyrer) whose try celebration consisted of hoofing the ball with considerable force which impacted the face of an opponent (Sharp). Whether accidental or not that has never been an appropriate act of celebration. I realise it was at the Stoop (and as such no spectators were therefore in any danger) but I've seen it done at Headingley where on one occasion a female spectator took the full force of the ball in the face. Many thanks to Steve Prescott on that occasion, I hadn't laughed so much in ages even though it wasn't in the least bit funny.'" I think it was clear Red but we do seem to have this problem with linesman not willing to tell the ref what he thought and if he does the ref's then following through unless they have personally seen it. It is clearly the linesman job, as I understand the guidance, to keep an eye of the kicker after the ball has been kicked and not the ref's. The report system is the flaw in the rules for me and gives the ref an excuse not to follow through with punishment, even if the linesman has seen and commented on the incident. I would hope the RFL would indeed send Tyrer a letter and tell him to calm down his overenthusiastic celebrations, poor old Sharp got it full in the mush... owww!

I agree, I've always been annoyed by the report system because as you say it gives the ref a way of not following through with punishment. It should be used for incidents where none of the officials have seen whats happened (and therefore no penalty can be given either way). But far too often its used for things like high tackles where the ref gives a penalty for a high tackle but then puts it on report. If the ref has seen the high tackle he must have seen the incident and so should punish the offender appropriately, not kop out by putting it on report

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Fully agree with ya Arma-dildo

(see what I did with your sig too

), I think Andy Raleigh should have been signed high and never be allowed to play again for fighting with himself after no provocation whatsoever. The ref should have reduced the Giants to 2 men and Leeds should have been given a head start of 306 points, just to keep everything fair. Hope this is ok by you all but if not we are willing to tie our arms behind our backs next time




Maybe the RFL have had a look at Raleigh's record, he is hardly Mike tyson!!!!, maybe they have viewed the incident and realised Ali threw the 1st punch off the floor (Ali is hardly Mike tyson either by the way) then when Ali stood up it kicked off, handbags at 2 paces tbh and if we going to start banning players for this all good and well as long as every team/player is treated the same. I have said before maybe we should have a guy from RFL sat in stands at every game with monitor of game, wired upto ref, then as ref is dealing with incident the guy in stand could review the incident and have a little word in his ear as to how to proceed seen as the touchies seem incapable.
All the best for the rest of your season

Well, how right (yet again I know!) was I proved to be. You could not resist could you and also clearly did not read my previous post to the one you quote?

You are predictable and you are failing to even present a reasoned counter argument to anyone's posts about this or any other incident I suspect. Everyone has slightly tinted glasses on of course, even me, but yours are clearly blinding you and have a detrimental effect on your cognisant reasoning ability. You should see a Doctor, no honest, I am worried about you and think you might need some care in the community support.

PS: Signed High.... he is he a good player this High bloke? Oh, sorry, got it, you mean sine die as in the latin for 'without day'!

Thanks for clearing that up for us Armadillo, sorry should have looked it up, by the way my counter argument (which was proved right by the way) was that Raleigh did not strike the 1st blow!!I know you hate to be wrong but never mind.

Oh by the way I see you got your Loiner specs back on judging by this latest post, looks like we all guilty of it from time to time:-



All in all summed up very fairly there Armadillo, Silverwood robbed ya TWICE!!!



Never mind it's Ganson against Hull K.R.

Oh bloody hell, he's robbed ya as well!!!!!!

Will you still be laughing when your season ends trophyless?

Don't mate, it is not worth it. He is not really even a Troll, he is just illiterate and clearly doesn't read posts in full.

It is unfair to have a battle of wits with a clearly unarmed man!

Yup, Listen mate we have got used to it at the Giants but I am just enjoying watching a team play attractive RL, be very solid defensively and not get on the refs back!!!!

You ought to try it sometime?



If we win owt it would be a big bonus but we don't set our sights too high.

Maybe it would be better if it read like this?