Completely agree. I think most are just trying to justify, on the clubs behalf, why we'd let our only quality prop leave when the remaining front row are 5 or 6/10 at best.

Golding in the squad v Fev this W/E proving once again he doesn't feature in Furners 1st choice 17/20 players.

I haven't given up on Golding yet, but if walker is injured Tui can go to FB and Smith at SO, or potentially even Sutcliffe... Or Golding gets recalled. Unfortunately for the lad Walker just offers a little more overall. Interesting to hear all the good report on young Stephens from the academy though - another very talented fullback who might be keeping the pressure on Walker in a year or two.
In a way - good problems to have!

Which of the 3 don't you rate?

Did not say i did not rate , But no way can the Stand off be rated as class . He may be decent or he may not but no way is he in the same league as our 2 major signings .

I think he'll be the best of the lot personally. He's like a young McGuire with more vision. Or an older McGuire with more speed. He'll rip defences to pieces once he gets going and the ground drys up a bit. Tui is all class. SL suits his game better too.

There is no way on Gods earth is Lolohea like a young Danny Maggs. Sorry.

He's a classy player who needs to run more than he has in the 2 games so far but I'm sure that will come when the season starts properly and he's got ability to throw cut out passes on the edges like Brent Webb used to do for us. I'm excited to watch him especially with Watkins and Hurrell outside him. However that to me is what Tui is, a full back with vision.

Unfortunately I just don't see him as the game managing, tactical kicking, forward bullying, organising stand off we badly needed.

After the 4 away games,we will all be in a better position to make judgement on the team

I see Myler as the kicking/organiser.

I see Tui doing the off the cuff stuff we all love.

Tui was doing all the Kicking and organising in the 2 trials so far

He's getting involved in 4 plays a set. He's always looking to create space for those outside him. He's as quick as McGuire was. He also has footwork like McGuire did as a 23 year old. McGuire at that age wasn't a great half either. His running game was his strength. Tui has more vision than him at this stage an dalready has 4 assists in 2 games.

That's taking nothing away from McGuire either. He's been my favorite Leeds player to watch over the last 20 years. I just see a hell of a lot of similarities between the two of them at that age.

I think with only 2 home games in first 8, some new players and new coach who needs to gel, plus the early start to the season, nobody should judging this side untill 10-12 games. Think we can pretty much write iff the first 8 games, 3-4 wins anything better a bonus. But improvement some fight and good attitude is what we need.

After the probable loss of the first 4 games , a return of 3 or 4 wins out of the first eight fixtures will be more than acceptable . Just a massive worry that we may be battered and shattered (confidence wise) after the first 4 games and never recover . Struggle to see how our pack can match up to such as Wire , Wigan and Saints . Hopefully i am wrong and this post comes back to haunt me . I will be going to the first 4 games with hope rather than expectation .

That's my worry too. I think the first 4 games could bring back skeletons from last season and hit confidence hard

Wigan will be a different beast and adjusting after a regimental manager like Wane won't be easy. They don't have a monster pack either just Wane got the absolute maximum out of them. Also not a bad thing playing Wire and Saints early as they likely won't be hitting the straps and things like weather can be a leveller. I don't think winning one out of the three is out of the question at all.

Brown's injury can't help Wire's cause especially if Ratchford fills in in the halves. Not convinced by Patton either.

I also think maybe hope is a better word that playing Wigan before the WCC might help as any niggles they might pick up the week before may mean they rest a player or two.
Lets face it I doubt very much SOL will play against us so that's one !

Dabbling with my fantasy league and Leeds is a tricky one, you seem to have signed extremely well. Hurrell is in my team but costs an absolute fortune. Will Liam Sutcliffe feature, i saw he played second row in a recent friendly?

He will do but how often, in what position and to what effect is anyone's guess. I'd save your fantasy dosh.

Thanks HRS