He can come in and tell the players how to fail to turn up in big games.

Or how to go to the line, dummy....and then go yourself. Did it on the last play of last years GF when Warrington had numbers

So I started looking out for it and it's something he does a lot.

Constantly hear this every time with not only youngsters but senior players and how poor Leeds are at appealing to them cone contract time. Yet we consistently keep hold of players both senior and youth and they're happy to sign long contracts.

We can't be as bad as the ITK crowd like to make out.

I'm amazed these better-run clubs have any need to chase our youngsters at all.

not a case of ITK as you put it. someone told me. I asked an ex leeds player I know who spoke to a current player who confirmed it. simple as that.
he wants to stay just worried he won't progress as he should. it's well known leeds don't have specialist coaches like other teams. perhaps they should

The non-use of subs is just indefensible. If Ormondroyd was tired and there was never an intent to use him, then its an appalling waste of a sub spot. The game as played at the top level involves rotating forwards off the bench. Not doing that is stupid. Mind you, so is not employing specialist coaches if you have the means to do so.

Thought Saints forwards had the edge on ours.. looked much more explosive. Galloway looks finished to me. Ablett didn't look fit at all still rate him though.
I'd like Leeds to bring in a big powerful metre gaining impact prop for next season salary cap permitting of course.

I think we have that with Garbutt TBH, he didn't look his usual self on Thursday though. We could do with a big off loading unit on the fringes more than anything for me but above all that a game manager to go with Myler for next year is a must.

I think we're prop heavy to be honest. We have too many big plodders in the middle. I'd say cuthbertson and garbutt are two of the best props in SL. Galloway, singleton are ok to be next up in the 17, then mullally, baldwinson, ormandroyd, oledzki are cover.

It's 2nd row we're in desperate need of impact especially with JJB now pretty much a middle man and more recently fat ferres starting at lose. We're left with

Ward - no complaints (apart from maybe injuries)
Albett- desperate need to regain some form
Delaney- injuries
Keinhorst- good interchange/utility

Walters- one of the worst players to play for Leeds since joe Vickey
Cam smith- unproven
Josh Jordan Roberts - unproven

This is the way I see it anyway.

I thought Galloway had one of his better games for us. He, Cuthbertson and Garbutt all had 100m+ games. Compare to Singleton who started and managed just 65m from 13 carries. Last week everybody struggled but Singleton especially so with 7 carries for a grand total of 33m.

He hasn't had a single 100m game all season in 14 outings, a lot of them starts and averages just 72m per game.

Comparison
Cuthbertson - 15 out of 20 games he's done 100m+ with an avg. of 123m
Garbutt - 12 out of 14 games he's done 100m+ with an avg. of 143m
Galloway - 4 out of 8 games he's done 100m+ with an svg. of 102m.

I know Singleton isn't the biggest prop but he needs to offer more metres if he's to justify starting games.

didn't he make a lot of tackles? seemed it

Agreed.

I have also given Mullally a lot of stick on here but he has stepped it up a bit of late and i thought he played really well against Saints, aggressive running and looked to really get involved and mix it up, he clearly has it in him so please keep that up and we may yet have a good squad man in him after all!

Yes I'd agree backrow needs some work. I'd get shut of Galloway and replace with another big impact prop. Galloway reminds me of a tall Mike Oniel...

Wow, would have thought Singletons stats are better than that. that's very average.

Wasn`t Singleton one of the top tacklers on Friday?
If that is the case I could forgive him for not doing the yards.

Tackle wise he did 32 on Thursday and that same number is his average for the season, which is healthy enough but nothing amazing to compensate for poor yardage. Just look at the average gain per carry through the team

Burrow - 9.04
Oledzki - 9.00
Garbutt - 8.48
Ormondroyd - 8.44
Galloway - 8.40
Keinhorst - 8.23
Delaney - 7.87
Walker - 7.86
Ferres - 7.83
Hall - 7.75
Mullally - 7.66
Ablett - 7.29
Briscoe - 7.23
Watkins - 7.09
Sutcliffe - 7.09
Handley - 6.89
Cuthbertson - 6.89
Walters - 6.83
Baldwinson - 6.78
Parcell - 6.67
Ward - 6.57
JJB - 6.38
Moon - 6.24
Golding - 6.19
McGuire - 6.18
SINGLETON - 6.13
Lilley - 5.36

That's shocking for a starting prop (he'd started 12 of his 14 appearances as prop, 1 loose, 1 sub) to be down there with the HB's with lack of pace. See the numbers the others props are doing including Galloway, Mullally, Baldwinson and Ornondroyd and even well behind the likes of much maligned Delaney and Walters. Grabted players have played different amount of games but he still shouldn't be that low down.

Out of all our props Singleton would be the easiest to replace, his go forward is very poor, and he hasn't developed any leg drive since he made his debut. Galloway is one of the most underrated players in the league and way ahead of Singleton IMO. The only reason Singleton gets away with his averageness is because he came through the academy

To be fair to singleton he's a good aggressive defender who puts in big hits in defence. 32 tackles a game is OK but not outstanding, but he does put in some dominant collisions. I think that the key to the front rowers is balance. Some add to the defensive side, others make big meters, and others get quick play the ball. Having some in each category is probably wise in the match day squad

Gob smacked by those figures Printer.
How does Singleton compare to tackles made?
I also think that Singleton does hit hard and can see him getting better as he matures.

Agree with that. Singleton's main issue for me is he is not quite big enough for a top draw prop. However, he is tough,durable, mobile, puts in some big hits and I think still improving. Most Leeds forwards are missing at least 2 of those attributes. I'd keep him.

I always feel we lose control of games when Galloway goes off if im honest. He does a much better job than people give him credit for. Hes not spectacular by any means but does a rock solid steady job every week.

The opposition pack usually get on top of ours when hes replaced. Thats how i always see it anyway. The Catalan game in France was blatantly obvious for that.

Our forwards as a whole lack a spark. Except for Cuthbertson's offloads we don't have any real bite with the ball. They also don't exactly do a lot of work off the ball in attack, in terms of providing dummy runners, but that's been true of our pack for a decade.

for me it's second row.all much the same and ,ward apart, no real quality there. no linebreakers either

I think thats a key point. Weve no X Fsctor in the pack. All the backrowers are the same. They graft and graft but none have any spark in attack.

We are linked with Hep Cahill but we already have 4 Hep Cahills in our back row. We need another Lauitiiti type player but that isnt easy to find. Cas have picked a couple of good forwards in Moors and SLF and thats the type we need.

His defence is ok but nothing to write home about nor good enough to make up for pitiful attack numbers. I do agree you need a balance with your props and couldn't have 4 Cuthbertson's in your 17, however the issue with Singleton is that he's starting matches. Personally I think you need to be making metres early doors and winning the field position battle otherwise it just puts a strain on the whole team if you aren't getting far enough away from your own line.