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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"
OTOH I would agree that there have been positions where the production across SL has been poor - including Leeds.'"
I can think of two that stand out: Left centre, right centre.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Out of interest Sal how many games of the u19's have you seen and any of them in the last 6weeks because Minns has been outstanding as has Sunley ,Sutcliffe ,Baldwinson ,Harper and Tonks.
Ash Handley and Duckworth have shown to be very good finsihers with the formers defence and pace very good.
As for Briscoe wherever he plays he has a decent game but has picked up a few knocks lately.
Like i've posted on numerous match threads for the u19's no doubts they'd have to be tested at a higher level but they have stacks of potential and are very very good to watch.'"
Pretty much every body then?
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| I don't get the Briscoe thing! Leeds managed to get him but did they really know what he was like as a player. Pretty average if you ask me and nobody knows where (position wise) he is supposed to be playing. Even in an interview several months ago Brian Mac said "even I dont know what his position is yet". Brian Mac also said "He is making steady progress". Seady progress!! That means snail pace to me.
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| Quote ="W55ARE"I don't get the Briscoe thing! Leeds managed to get him but did they really know what he was like as a player. Pretty average if you ask me and nobody knows where (position wise) he is supposed to be playing. Even in an interview several months ago Brian Mac said "even I dont know what his position is yet". Brian Mac also said "He is making steady progress". Seady progress!! That means snail pace to me.'"
Following a conversation I had with Barry McDermott at Friday's game, I am not convinced Brian McDermott has too much of a say with the academy levels. Barry was quite scathing in the limited opportunities for a number of individuals. And like me, and my party on Friday night, he was quite astonished at how Peacock was flogged on Friday evening.
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| Watkins is going nowhere and is contracted until 2017 according to GH.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Following a conversation I had with Barry McDermott at Friday's game, I am not convinced Brian McDermott has too much of a say with the academy levels. Barry was quite scathing in the limited opportunities for a number of individuals. And like me, and my party on Friday night, he was quite astonished at how Peacock was flogged on Friday evening.'"
Cool that's good to hear as I think we all agree on what Barry is saying there. Was he specific on people he thought should have had a go by now?
In terms of B Mac talking about Briscoe it was when Vickery got injured 1st time and Briscoe, Watson and Keinhorst were in the runnig to drop in - Keinhorst filled that role for 1 week I think.
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| Quote ="W55ARE"Cool that's good to hear as I think we all agree on what Barry is saying there. Was he specific on people he thought should have had a go by now?
In terms of B Mac talking about Briscoe it was when Vickery got injured 1st time and Briscoe, Watson and Keinhorst were in the runnig to drop in - Keinhorst filled that role for 1 week I think.'"
He didn't mention names, but I got the impression that both McDermotts have very different roles and goals at the club. I think, which may not interest you, that he was referring more to the players at the club (under 19's).
I was more interested in his thoughts, on the way the side hade been used and non rotation of players, and since you had to be blind not to see how much Peacock was struggling from the 23rd minute on Friday, he was not shy speaking on that subject.
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| Quote ="W55ARE"In terms of B Mac talking about Briscoe it was when Vickery got injured 1st time and Briscoe, Watson and Keinhorst were in the runnig to drop in - Keinhorst filled that role for 1 week I think.'"
Keinhorst played on the wing in the loss away at Castleford and the home win V Salford that followed.
Vickery was rushed back to face Melbourne in the next fixture.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He didn't mention names, but I got the impression that both McDermotts have very different roles and goals at the club. I think, which may not interest you, that he was referring more to the players at the club (under 19's).
I was more interested in his thoughts, on the way the side hade been used and non rotation of players, and since you had to be blind not to see how much Peacock was struggling from the 23rd minute on Friday, he was not shy speaking on that subject.'"
Great sounds like you had a constructive chat and I am pleased Barry thinks along those lines too.
I am interested in U19s though, even though I guess I am a bit biased towards the dual reg players - as they were in the same boat as the U19s were last year.
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| According to todays YEP GH confirms there has been no approach for Watkins and he and our other top young players will NOT be sold.
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| Quote ="W55ARE"Great sounds like you had a constructive chat and I am pleased Barry thinks along those lines too.'"
I presume you realise Gotcha's party was talking to Barry McDermott rather than the former Leeds player Barrie McDermott.
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| Quote ="rpw"According to todays YEP GH confirms there has been no approach for Watkins and he and our other top young players will NOT be sold.'"
I have, over the years, come to believe that what GH says and what really happens are seldom the same.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I presume you realise Gotcha's party was talking to Barry McDermott rather than the former Leeds player Barrie McDermott.'"
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| Nice to see you haven't lost your sense of humor after Daly-gate.
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I believe him just as I did when he said Danny Buderus would not be allowed to leave without a suitable replacement was found.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"icon_lol.gif Pedant.'"
Theres too many Mcdermotts' around in Leeds at the moment
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| Head of Youth Development talking up the prospects produced during his time in charge shocker.
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| Quote ="rpw"According to todays YEP GH confirms there has been no approach for Watkins and he and our other top young players will NOT be sold.'"
In other words I want all the Leeds fans to think I will always stick by players with potential.
But if the right offer came around I could make out the player said he wanted to go and I couldn`t consider having someone playing for the Rhinos who didn`t want to be here.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Following a conversation I had with Barry McDermott at Friday's game, I am not convinced Brian McDermott has too much of a say with the academy levels. Barry was quite scathing in the limited opportunities for a number of individuals. And like me, and my party on Friday night, he was quite astonished at how Peacock was flogged on Friday evening.'"
You are correct regarding peacock,but the impression I get is peacock wants to play all the time. Also on a number of occasions this season when it looks like Mac wants to substitute him he seems reluctant to leave the field.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Head of Youth Development talking up the prospects produced during his time in charge shocker.'"
He didn't invidually talk up the prospects, he mentioned no names, which I said on other page. He agreed on limited opportunities, for which he thought some were deserved, and was speaking collectively.
However, where he was more outspoken, was on the non rotation, and how much Peacock is worked. The poor guy was completely spent by the 23rd minute on Friday. A good team would have crusified him in that game.
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| What are you wanting Peacock rested for? Later in his career?
Now he's done with England lets flog him. It seems to be what he wants anyway.
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| Quote ="G1"What are you wanting Peacock rested for? Later in his career?
Now he's done with England lets flog him. It seems to be what he wants anyway.'"
Personally, I would like to see one of our top 3 players, and vitally important at that, not be the liability he was from the 23rd minute onwards, looking an absolute embarrassment. Like I said, a good team would have run at him and crusified him in that match.
As a respected coach, and former prop had the same ideas on Friday, I am prepared to stick by that argument.
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| Quote ="G1"What are you wanting Peacock rested for? Later in his career?'"
Surely he means for the 'business end' of the season.
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| I didn't go Friday so can't comment but Peacock has been having his best season in a good few years this year and he is playing longer spells.
Peacock look far more knackered at this stage last year but came on strong for the playoffs.
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| Quote ="G1"The existing evidence would suggest the exact opposite. Hall replaced Calderwood. Watkins replaced Walker. McGuire replaced Haris. Sinfield replaced Mike Forshaw.
Besides, we can get by for two years if needs be until Watkins replacement (theoretical) emerges.
After all, after Chev left in 2006 we had a few guys fill in at right centre until Watkins emerged and what happened. Oh yeah, three straight GFs. In fact, Watkins was injured in 2011 so if was 4 GFs in 5 years.'"
I can think of another Leeds product that picked up 3 Grand Final winners medals as a centre after Chev.
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| Quote ="finglas"I can think of another Leeds product that picked up 3 Grand Final winners medals as a centre after Chev.'"
I know who you mean. I actually think he's the most complete centre Leeds have produced since Chev, at this moment in time. I think Watkins has much higher potential but he's not there yet.
But he was, apparantly, just "filling in". If Watkins does go (as now seems unlikely so it looks like it was, after all, an over reaction, I would be satisfied with said Academy prospect "filling in" for another three Grand Finals.
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