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| Quote ="sgtwilko"my mate is convinced it's all a part of blueys master plan!
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Bluey has a master plan
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"I very much doubt we could have sustained our level of success of the past 3 seasons from a position of huge odds on favourites.
Is our present position then preferable ??? assuming of course we can achieve a play off position and is Bluey engendering a seige mentality aimed at making our play for a 4th success from a postion as huge underdogs.
Mind games and all that.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"It's a mighty risky plan? What happens when you end up away to Saints or Wigan and Richard Silverwood is refereeing?'"
I'd imagine if leeds don't win super league this year the universe will implode and everyone will die.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"hope that he pulls his hammy and ganson steps in.
or take a video nasty to a private meeting before the game of Wigan/saints at their respective underhanded worst to Influance siverc*nts decisions in the game. It's been done before!'"
Done by a club that cheated the salary cap for 5 years. We shouldn't be suprised.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"It's a mighty risky plan? What happens when you end up away to Saints or Wigan and Richard Silverwood is refereeing?'"
Such arrogance and at only the half way stage of the season TYPICAL.
I hope the above post returns to bite you on the
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"I agree. I think we will finish 4th at least.'"
I think 4th will be our best finish not at least. Think we can get to 4th but i have a feeling 5th or 6th.
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| I've had a beleif that Leeds have treated the weekly rounds as more like a contested training session than a league to win for a few seasons now.
Last year we had awful disipline, then in August it suddenly changed.
By this point last year we had lost 4 games, and won the league shield by 2 or 4 points (memory fails me). We had 1 defeat in 12 games at the end of the season, followed by the play-offs.
But what many people don't see is that its not a fluke that we put in the best performance of the season in the game that would eliminate us from a competition.
The days of busting out of the traps, leading the league for 6 months then being too knackered to contest the silverware are behind us.
It may not be fair for the loyal fans who pour money into the club, but the club is only interested in winning pots, and have chosen to do this by only taking 5-6 games a season at 100%
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"I've had a beleif that Leeds have treated the weekly rounds as more like a contested training session than a league to win for a few seasons now.
Last year we had awful disipline, then in August it suddenly changed.
By this point last year we had lost 4 games, and won the league shield by 2 or 4 points (memory fails me). We had 1 defeat in 12 games at the end of the season, followed by the play-offs.
But what many people don't see is that its not a fluke that we put in the best performance of the season in the game that would eliminate us from a competition.
The days of busting out of the traps, leading the league for 6 months then being too knackered to contest the silverware are behind us.
It may not be fair for the loyal fans who pour money into the club, but the club is only interested in winning pots, and have chosen to do this by only taking 5-6 games a season at 100%'"
Honestly I think that entire post is a ridiculous thing to say. Arrogance.
To say we treat the weekly rounds as a contested training session is highly disrespectful to a whole bunch of things, but mainly the players who put their body on the line each week and the opposition we beat by doing so along the way.
I think people get carried away now with this whole ''leeds...big game team anywhere anytime in the playoffs'' just because we've had fantastic recent success in the playoffs.
It's always been built on a foundation of finishing in the top 2.
This year we are well off the pace for that.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"Honestly I think that entire post is a ridiculous thing to say. Arrogance.
To say we treat the weekly rounds as a contested training session is highly disrespectful to a whole bunch of things, but mainly the players who put their body on the line each week and the opposition we beat by doing so along the way.
I think people get carried away now with this whole ''leeds...big game team anywhere anytime in the playoffs'' just because we've had fantastic recent success in the playoffs.
It's always been built on a foundation of finishing in the top 2.
This year we are well off the pace for that.'"
Actually what he said is spot on, and I don't see what is arrogant about his post.
It's not as if he is saying we are doing different this year, he backed it up with that we have been doing it previous years.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Actually what he said is spot on, and I don't see what is arrogant about his post.
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No it isn't spot on at all. It's arrogant because it suggests leeds essentially only play at 100% for a few games each season. Claiming leeds treat the weekly rounds as a contested training session is disrespectful to the opposition no matter how you want to spin it and theres no truth in it. Just because leeds have managed to turn up on the big day the last 3 seasons doesn't mean they were deliberatly playing within themselves earlier in the season.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"No it isn't spot on at all. It's arrogant because it suggests leeds essentially only play at 100% for a few games each season. Claiming leeds treat the weekly rounds as a contested training session is disrespectful to the opposition no matter how you want to spin it and theres no truth in it. Just because leeds have managed to turn up on the big day the last 3 seasons doesn't mean they were deliberatly playing within themselves earlier in the season.'"
He said, the team that ends the season is far different to the one playing through the regular rounds. That is spot on.
What we are seeing this season is no different to previous seasons as far as Leeds are concerned. What is different is that the oppossition are at a different level to previously.
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| i would agree too. also had we not had such a bad run of injuries we would robably be 4 points better off and the table would look entirely different
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| Has anyone seen the Bookies odds of Leeds winning the Grand Final?
The best odds you can get are
Stains 11/4
Wigan 100/30
Leeds 100/30
Warry 9/2
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Dulls 16/1
Hull 33/1
Wankey 150/1
The rest 200/1 upwards
Clearly the Bookies are wary of Leeds.
Come play off time, nobody will want us, home or away.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He said, the team that ends the season is far different to the one playing through the regular rounds. That is spot on.
What we are seeing this season is no different to previous seasons as far as Leeds are concerned. What is different is that the oppossition are at a different level to previously.'"
too true, or even Leeds had a bit more luck last year than this. we coulda shoulda lost to kr at their place, cas at cas(maybe a draw), wakey away, wire at home, hudds at home. we could have easy finished with 9 or 10 points less than we did last season.
if Leeds lost those games. We would have finished 5.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He said, the team that ends the season is far different to the one playing through the regular rounds. That is spot on.
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No, no he didn't say that.
Leeds have stepped it up for the playoffs in recent seasons. But that doesn't mean they treat the regular rounds as contested training session.
That's bollox.
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| Quote ="Sherbert Dip"Has anyone seen the Bookies odds of Leeds winning the Grand Final?
The best odds you can get are
Stains 11/4
Wigan 100/30
Leeds 100/30
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Hudds 10/1
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The rest 200/1 upwards
Clearly the Bookies are wary of Leeds.
Come play off time, nobody will want us, home or away.'"
I checked on oddschecker before the Hull game and ALL bookies still had us favourites to win the GF and about 4/5 bookies still had us favourites to finish the regular season top which i found amazing
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"It's all part of the plan".
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| Quote ="cheekydiddles"I checked on oddschecker before the Hull game and ALL bookies still had us favourites to win the GF and about 4/5 bookies still had us favourites to finish the regular season top which i found amazing'"
So much for the plan of losing games on purpose so we'd be classed as underdogs.
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| I doubt its the plan as such. Definitely part of the plan is to peak at the right end of the year. Quite a few teams almost do the opposite and try to get their wins in early in order to reach the playoffs, but that doesn't to Leeds or other sides that really fancy their chances.
What does seem to have been poor this year was preparation prior to the WCC with seemingly everyone focused on that and not SL, with the result that we went into a very big game completely out of form. Follow that with a similar hangover to last year after losing, and our current position makes a lot of sense.
I'm not entirely convinced we'll see some phoenix-like revival this year in the league, although it wouldn't surprise me either. I just have the nagging suspicion that at this stage the Cup is the focus, and that the side will continue to play average rugby in SL until after we either win the Cup or get knocked out.
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| Quote ="The Magic Wand"SL is boring, Leeds are making it exciting by winning it from 8th.'"
That was Bulls' plan last season, but those pesky Stains went and ruined it by losing at home to Catalans last day of the regular season...
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"I've had a beleif that Leeds have treated the weekly rounds as more like a contested training session than a league to win for a few seasons now.
Last year we had awful disipline, then in August it suddenly changed.
By this point last year we had lost 4 games, and won the league shield by 2 or 4 points (memory fails me). We had 1 defeat in 12 games at the end of the season, followed by the play-offs.
But what many people don't see is that its not a fluke that we put in the best performance of the season in the game that would eliminate us from a competition.
The days of busting out of the traps, leading the league for 6 months then being too knackered to contest the silverware are behind us.
It may not be fair for the loyal fans who pour money into the club, but the club is only interested in winning pots, and have chosen to do this by only taking 5-6 games a season at 100%'"
apart from the over strong 'contested training session' only insiders know the truth but it seems close to the mark
2007 had bad spell midseason , a few injuries but lost to a few teams low in table from a winning position during the game
2008 said concentrating on wcc & slackened off a little to recuperate
2009 no announcement re preparing for wcc but slump afterwards
2010 more injuries than last 3 seasons put together & talk of wanting both cups - probability of having lost a few with a full side ?
i too felt we had a stronger squad on paper unfortunately we play on grass/sand with a third of it missing.
as a season ticket it can feel as if pre paid to be entertained each match but if the plan comes together for october is that moment greater than the sum of the defeats
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"I've had a beleif that Leeds have treated the weekly rounds as more like a contested training session than a league to win for a few seasons now.
Last year we had awful disipline, then in August it suddenly changed.
By this point last year we had lost 4 games, and won the league shield by 2 or 4 points (memory fails me). We had 1 defeat in 12 games at the end of the season, followed by the play-offs.
But what many people don't see is that its not a fluke that we put in the best performance of the season in the game that would eliminate us from a competition.
The days of busting out of the traps, leading the league for 6 months then being too knackered to contest the silverware are behind us.
It may not be fair for the loyal fans who pour money into the club, but the club is only interested in winning pots, and have chosen to do this by only taking 5-6 games a season at 100%'"
I think this is pretty much spot on.
The problem is that this season we're currently significantly lower in the league than we have been for the last 3 seasons. Unless the players can put a winning run of sorts together soon there will be a danger that a) we'll not make the play-offs (unlikely) or b) that confidence levels will be affected by the business end of the season and that the team will not be able to peak to the level it has been able to do for the last 3 seasons. I'm sure the club are aware of this, however.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"No, no he didn't say that.
Leeds have stepped it up for the playoffs in recent seasons. But that doesn't mean they treat the regular rounds as contested training session.
That's bollox.'"
I stand by it.
In 2003-2006 we shot out of the blocks and led the table early on in the season, and with the exception of 2004, we faded early and ended up trophyless.
2007 onwards we have shown an ability to go the distance, by treating the earlier rounds as a means of getting to the end game with a chance of winning it.
Training session was maybe a bit OTT, but certainly do they rarely get out of 3rd gear in regualr season games before July
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| What are we? Like 2 and a half wins behind 4th/5th? That's nothing with just over half the year to go. We should be 7th come Sunday tge way Wakey are playing so all we need is a bit of form.
Remember, on Saturday both teams had 5 out so the game will have no bearing on how 2 full strength Leeds/Saints teams (hopefully ) will play.
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| If anyone is convinced Leeds will finish outside the 'top 8' I suggest they put up odds on 'Betfair'
I'd certainly be interested in taking some of those odds, at the right price
Where's Gledhill?????
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