Kevin Sinfield -> Warrington (£250k)
Joe Westerman -> Leeds (£250k)

Let me tell you and put you straight here, that is a load of b0ll0[ick[/is made up by silly Cas fans, just like the Hull fans about their players.

No player in the game hates a club sufficiently to stop them playing for them. You only have to look at Andy Lynch for that, a Leeds fan who went to Cas, and then ended up at Bulls who as a fan diskliked very much.

Westerman would have signed the other year when it was rumoured, had Leeds made a proper move, but it was all just rumour.

Not that I believe Westerman is signing this time as the OP said, but lets put the crappy hate thing aside.

Made up by fans?
They linked an interview with him the other year where he clearly states himself that he doesn't like leeds!
I don't care if he does or doesn't but it's more than rumour mate.

I've just thought about seeing Sinny in someones elses jersey for the 1st time and I actually died a little bit inside.

Good job it'll never happen

I can name you one and it came from the horses mouth this player told me he'd a fantastic offer from Leeds and if it had been from any other top club he'd have signed.
The player in question Karl Firbank

To quote Stuart Duffy commentating on the 1993 CC game against Northern at HQ, 'What an absolute idiot that man is!'.

He is a very good young British player, but I feel he has not lived up to his hype from few seasons back, I have also heard that he hates Leeds and don't think he would be a good signing for us.

Did you read anything that Gotcha posted or just choose to ignore it?

Yup.

=#8040FFThat's strange, Westerman seems to be doing 25-30 tackles a game now, certainly not a weak defender

He won't be going to Leeds either, maybe Hull FC, a team he actually wants to play for. Along with Richard Owen to Huddersfield and Shenton to Wigan....Cas are going the quick way to losing their fans and place in SL.

Lee's biggest problem was how unpro he was. he woild have been a mess where ever he played his rugby.

If they cannot fund a new ground they will lose their Super League licence anyway.

Whilst I'd like to think you could be correct the answer to the question "Would player xxx hate a club enough not to sign a lucrative contract with them ?" has to be "Yes".

These are professional rugby players we are talking about, not always the sharpest knives in the cutlery drawer, some of them young and unencumbered by life's trivialities such as a mortgage, a family to provide for, the council tax to pay next week - the sort of stuff that makes 95% of the rest of us HAVE to go to work on Monday regardless of whether or not we like the company.

Mix in the fecklessness of a young man who isn't yet mature enough to see beyond his teenage years "loyalty" to one or other team (see lots of users of these forums for more examples) and yes, I can see a player deciding to not sign for a particular team "because he doesn't like them".

There was once upon a time a very good player who looked after his own interests and constantly sought the best deal for himself and his family's future, was not afraid to ask for more money, went out and sought his own lucrative sponsorship deals (OK so he got someone else to do all of that for him) - but he was vilified and still is by many on this forum, Iestyn Harris didn't give a flying one who he played for as long as the money was there at the end of the week and legal claims aside he should have provided nicely for himself by now.

We haven’t even played every team in super league yet and we’re already talking about next seasons signings. It’ll be a good signing but not earth shattering.

Next time you post a rumour post one worth posting



Greg Inglis to replace Keith Senior would be a good one

I wonder why opponents run at him 25-30 times a game?

=#8000FFThey don't he's all over the pitch covering for some of the morons in the Cas team that don't even know what tackling is.

I would love to see him at Leeds but wouldn't have a clue where to play him. Looking at the youngsters we have coming through I haven't seen any natural successors to Sinfield so maybe he could be his replacement for the future. But what to do with him now is a bit confusing. Centre?

I had heard from a few sources that Westerman is getting hacked off at Cas. I heard it was around his contract and that the general consensus of a few Cas players is that the club is not doing enough to secure the clubs future in SL in terms of the new stadium. On the other had, with the contract talk is it just a bartering tool to get what he wants, what with utilising the hatred of Leeds by Cas

Good logic that, must be why players run at Nathan Hindmarsh 40+ times per game then. He's rubbish at tackling.

Come on Richie you can do better than that?

Well I could point to his missed tackle stats on Superleague.co.uk, they're pretty harsh.
If my memory was any good I'd remember who the other coach, other than Justin Marshall, was who was seen on Boot 'n' all giving a team talk and gameplan of "whenever Westerman is in the middle, run at him"

=#8000FFYeah if you remember the rest of the quote it was "to tire him out"

Which is why missed tackles is sometimes more use.
High tackle counts typically mean one of two things: hard working defender, or a target for the opposition.
The number of tackles Westerman misses would suggest the latter.

No, it was something along the lines of missed tackles and breaks.
Cullen has picked it out on Boots 'n' All too in the analysis section. Still trying to think who that other active coach was.

Sorry I didn't realise I needed to agree with everything written. Now I know you don't like someone to have their own opinion I will try my best to agree with everything.