IMO it should be Tomkins at 6 and McGuire at 7 but i think Tony Smith will play McGuire at 6 and Myler at 7, Myler doesn't deserve to be in the squad nevermind start the first game but that how it will be. He did naff all against Wales and will do even less against the Aussies and Kiwis.
IMO he needs to pick his strongest 17 and stick with it throughout unless injuries occur, no point chopping and changing every game or your asking for trouble. If he changes the team every game like last years WC and then we get embarrased he needs to be shown the door, his squad hasn't been picked on form, too many players from his own team who have hardly performed well all season.

My concern about Tomkins are three fold;

His defence which has been really exposed in big games against a quality side - the Kiwis must be keeping their fingers crossed he starts.

His temprament which is suspect to say the least - he appears to have a really nasty streak in him especially if things aren't going well

Finally is he all that - I appreciate he is young but when he has been asked to do the business in a big game e.g. PO v Saints he was nowhere to be seen - these jinking little runs may work against a side of NL players like Wales or France but I can't see the Kiwis and the Aussies being too concerned tbh.

I would not mind Sinfield at 6 and McGuire at 7 - at least they have both proved they can perform when it really matters.

McGuire made Myler look good against the French he looked very ordinary on Saturday.

David, are you sitting down?

I couldn't agree with your assessment more.

Tomkins was "found out" a little by Saints in the GF qualifier. Often he took his trade-mark step off the left, jink to the right, at the expense of an overlap on the left. Saints had him dealt with. I'd make more an assessment of him from that game than I would Friday nights.

And your comment about Myler and McGuire in the France game is also very astute. McGuire was head and shoulders the best half on the pitch before taking his knock.

Every dog has his day



I am not Sinfield's biggest but I was very impressed with his form towards the back end of the season and his performance in GF was head and shoulders above any other player on the field.

If players are picked on form Sinfield should be the first name on the team sheet - for me him and McGuire should start at 6 and 7

no doubt about it Mcguire is the man because he's a proven big game player and always seems to pop up in the right place at the right time in big games, as for Tomkins, he is un proven in the pressure situations and needs another big season for wigan before you can consider him as a genuine threat to Mcguire.

You would of said the same about Myler needing to prove himself at Wire next season before being a genuine threat to Rob Burrow but TS has put his little bumboy straight in.
Myler and Tomkins are both good at running in broken field but against Aus/NZ you aren't gonna get the chance to do it.

There will be one or two chances.

The question is do you risk Tomkins, Eastmond or Myler and hope that they display that bit of magic, or do you go for a more solid approach.

Personally I don't think we're (England) good enough to compete using the solid arm wrestle game and may need a bit of individual brilliance if we're going to achieve anything.

thats what we are best at you tool are back is as good as anyones ,were not riskin anything we need tompkins mcguire ect to do something ,we have the solid with are pack dick head

seriously is there any need for that?

i have been reading other forums tonight to see how fans are responding to the four nations and all you have seemed to do is pick on Rogues no matter what he says. Lets have a grown up conversation eh?

but out don wan have you read his to me dont shoot the messanger

your very strange,i petty you. I don't think anyone understands a word you say. You follow Rogues round like a lost sheep.

you would like to petty me ,you need sort your head out you freek

Don't you just love the education system in Leigh.

just a little better than wigan ,nar lad now thats english

Well I did very well out of it and retired on it.

Let me guess.
You're an English teacher.

the last time we came close to wining agaist the top 2, was when wigan were great in the 80s  an 90s,and with the players we have,thats it for the next 25 years,bad it is but true,but wat do u expect being run by sheep,bap

In english please

Remember Matt Kings sledging in the CC semi final? Tomkins was more interested afteer the first verbals to concentrate on Kng rather than play the game. The aussies might just have a bash at that. As for Myler, Smith HAS to play him to justify paying so much for him. I am still at a loss as to why Burrow isnt there.

Does anyone know why The Lancashire Yorkshire matches stopped? And if we played these would they be beneficial for improving the standard of players in Super League?

p.s. Sorry if its in the wrong thread.

No space in the fixture calendar, no interest from spectators and players found convenient "injuries" which had cleared up by the next club game.

This st ives fellow seems a very nice guy, have a look @ some of his previous posts in relation to Danny McGuire on the Warrington board.

He rates him very highly as a player and an individual. His posts are always delivered in such a unique pigeon english fashion.

"No space in the fixture calendar, no interest from spectators and players found convenient "injuries" which had cleared up by the next club game."

Thanks, would it not possibly work though if say like Leeds did last year against Cas, teams used their squad. Thus giving first teamers high intensity matches and younger players exposure to top level rugby. As Leeds, Wigan and many others would still have a lot of quality overseas player in their teams.

Just a thought anyway, realistically never going to work but I for one would love to see it.

Wasnt that the year before when the previous days international depleted the squad?

Sorry for me this year hasn't finished yet so the match against Cas is still last year.

Because the players never took it seriously and the games drew poor crowds.