That's just a slightly more composed dummy spit really though, isn't it? He didn't like the decision, even though it was the right one, so he's having a whinge in a way that he thinks doesn't make him look like he's having a whinge.

The knock on trying to milk the penalty gave Wigan the field position. It wasn't directly responsible for Leeds then conceding on the next set.

I realise how people get to the 14 point total through errors but question if conceding a try on the sixth tackle following the Bailey knock on is worthy of inclusion. Just because you lose possession doesn't automatically lead to the inevitable concession of a try in the following set or at least it shouldn't.

It would be remiss though not to take the opportunity to point out who it was, when he had the chance to come in and nail Tomkins, instead opted to get half-way there then inexplicably stop himself and look to the outside man - leaving himself stranded doing absolutely nothing. It was his and Leeds' only hope and as usual he half-realised what he had to do then fluffed it. He had a good game overall though according to his many admirers which generally translates as him not making any absolutely glaring cock-ups so hopefully no-one will actually bother to see and comment on what he actually did.

He was hard done to on the first one IMO. O'Loughlin just laid in the ruck and his prescence certainly contributed to the ball coming loose. If anyone but Bailey was in that position, I reckon we'd have got a penalty out of it. Trouble is, the refs can't wait to blow the whistle when he's involved. I guess we've just got to live with that because of the sort of player he is.

The shove on Logan Tomkins was plain stupidity however, no arguments there.

Bailey "Shoves" a back, no surprise there... Soft $hite...

He shoved the hooker...

Fair cop

... But the smallest forward...

Perhaps you were thinking of McIlorum's off the ball challenge on a Leeds half-back?

McIlorum "Shoves" a back, no surprise there... Soft $hite..

I think my point of view is if he was worried less about trying to milk a penalty and actually got on with it he wouldn't have lost the ball.

Not really any comparison between the two. McIllorum was penalised for a shoulder charge, it was marginally late but had he used the correct technique it may well have been legal. What Bailey did wasn't even in play! Just ran up behind someone and pushed him in the back like he was on the playground!

Yes and Tomkins fell like a little girl.

I said I think almost 2 seasons ago that I had. A lot of respect for McDermott and I was happy to have him at the club, but I had doubts that he was the right guy to rebuild Leeds over the next few seasons. It's a difficult job. You either have to change things because players retire or leave, or you have to make difficult choices, which could be to to keep experience and loose promising youth or let go club legends. I suspect that we will only know how well he's made these choices in around 2 years time. Frankly I'm not sure how things will go.

Coaching wise I see a strong defensive side where all the players work hard, but still don't see a team organised in attack to make best use of the talent we have.
The halves are a shambles at the moment and the other two key attacking positions are worse. 6, 7, 9 and 13 are just not creative enough at the moment. I agree with you Andy, we need McShane to start and have real game time at 9, we need an organiser at 7, and Sinny back at 13 and defending up the middle where he will be far more comfortable and effective. Burrow off the bench.
Leeds look at their most organised when they play up the middle and get Delaney, JJB etc hitting those inside shoulders in the middle of the park off quick PTB's from Kylie and Peacock. But it's not scoring us a lot of points this year and it all breaks down when we get near the try line or when we hit a brick wall defence. We also make too many mistakes and overwork our defence.

Realistically we should have beaten Saints and the Wigan result could have gone either way, and many posters at the beginning of this thread had us down for a mullering. I was never that pessamistic, but I was disappointed with the Saints result. We should have routed them, but our attack simply doesn't seem up to it.

Regarding the McGuire touch down that was disallowed, refs do seem to let play go on after an infringment when there's the VR to go back to.
Refs in non televised games blow straight away when a players runs behind his team mate with the opposition up tight in defence.
Silverwood blew for the VR when most of us hadn't noticed McGuire running behind the player. As Stuart Cummings explained, according to the rules it should have been disallowed.
Very even game though, 3 trys each, 2 conversions each and Wigan win with the 2 pens given away by Leeds in their own half.

Fair point but still not clever.

He was more interested in milking the pen though, close to your own try line just play the ball.

He was more interested in milking the pen though, close to your own try line just play the ball.

Didn't anybody else spot Pat richards try off a forward pass from Tomkins?

Yup totally ignored by the officials again !!

It's something that annoys me a little, where refs allow play to continue well downfield then go to the VR, the McGuire no try being a good example. For me in that situation the ref has already made his decision by allowing play to continue. Had McGuire been tackled by Tomkins and Leeds scored on the play after then the VR couldn't have been used.

No but I spotted a try from Richards from a totally legal pass from Tomkins so I guess all's well that ends well.

I was pretty much in line with Hardakers pass back to Sinfield and that looked forward to me. Happens both ways.

Slightly OT but there was some great banter with the Bradford fans yesterday, including the conga past the main body of out support

I'm not finding myself too gloomy at the moment. We were disappointing against Saints, but against Hudds and Wigan we found out that we're going OK but not quite at the level of the current 2 best teams in the competition. Most of the difference is that things aren't quite clicking in attack.

I see no cause for panic. If we play like that next time out I think we'll beat Hull. There's time for this stuff to come good, and time for Wigan and Hudds to drop off a bit. We look a much better side than at this point last season.

You never know William might reinstate his mini-league now.