Demonstration enough that we need to stay well clear of that dreaded Million Pound Game if any were needed

I had a peek at the Widnes Forum and it makes illuminating reading. Several comments to the effect that we are nearly as bad as they are and that this is the worst Leeds team they can remember. I have been around a long time and can't (quite) agree with the last point, but there is a lot of truth in the first one.

I have been around since 1978, and I totally agree with the last one. This is by far the worst team, when in comparison to the level of the competition.

do not agree, it is the second worst season we have had in the super league era, but there is enough quality players in the squad, we should not be in this position. injuries are not an excuse but they have been a huge factor. the 1996 side did not have anywhere near the quality as this side. and the 1986-17 side that only stay upped by points difference is the worst that was a shocking squad with very little quality if any at all. there has been some very good performances this season, both games against saints and Warrington we played well and a few others. the 96 side would not have beat either those sides or got close. think he have had a fully fit garbut and watkins think we would have been 5-6 instead. still need to show 5-6 players the door and replace them with quality though.

I agree, Keinhorsts bang average at best and a poor defender imo. He's another whos cap space could be added to say Delaneys cap space and sign one better quality player instead of the 2 of them with there cap space combined. New signing takes Delaneys spot, Newman moves up the ladder and takes Keinhorsts spot, Broadbent moves up the ladder and takes Newmans spot.

Its win win imo, we get a better quality first 17 and our very good juniors get a pathway, and keep progressing up the squad, instead of blocking there progress and wasting cap money on Ormndroyds, Walters, Keinhorsts and the likes. Just my opinion ofcourse.

We'r in a pretty good position in that most of the dead wood are off contract after this season and we'v got the best crop of juniors we'v had for 15 year waiting to progress, hope the club dont mess it up.

I think you are struggling to differentiate between players individual and team. I repeat, this is the worst team I have seen in that time.

But by the way, we have some very poor players in this current team.

I would still say the 96 side was far worse, i think the 2001 side under dean lance was pretty dire as well but that may be just how bad lance was and it took another 2 full seasons to recover from that spell.

But look at the competition those years. They were far better than the current one.

2001 side included: Toni Carrol, Iestyn? Senior, Sinfield, JJB

This is the worst Leeds team I've ever seen - even when everyone is fit. It's a team game and the team is awful. Sutcliffe makes Dave Hesselwood and Mark Massa look awesome, as for the forwards I'm dreaming of the glory days of Gary Price and Andy Sykes.
Has Dave Furner ever got a job on. McDermott's protestations after his sacking look even more ridiculous now.

Fortunately I think both Sinfield and Furner know its a rebuild job, Sinfield even mentioned it in his latest post match interview. I don't for one second think Sinfield thinks its job done if we get through these Middle 8s

Personally I will be happy A. if we get through the middle 8s with a game to spare and B. if next year we just look like a more complete side, I'm not expecting us to be back up in the top4 for at least 2 years and I'm fine with that as long as we look to be heading in the right direction.

I was a big fan of McDermott but in hindsight I will say I think he should have gone after last years GF, he deserved the benefit of the doubt in 2016 but a plan should have been put in place through ought 2017 for 2018 without him. I also still think Sinfield is the right guy for the DOR job.

Indeed. And Darren Fleary, Anthony farrell, barrie Mcdermott, francis Cummins, Mark Calderwood, Ryan Sheridan etc.. with most of the golden generation playing some games on their way through.also had the 2 great imports Mullins and Clyde who didn't have the best of times through injury and Robbie Mears an ex origin hooker.they finished 5th in a very good SL at the top end. Not a bad squad at all and they would have put plenty on this current lot.

The 96 side and this both plumb similar depths for me. If - if - we beat Salford, TO & TWP then I might be forced to conclude that this one's the shade better of the two. But only by a fanny hair.

The 96 side was in completely different circumstances to this, and as a result of that, this is really a worse team.

Also needed Dean bell to come out of retirement to beat Paris

Could we really see Sir Kev or burrow doing the same

It's like ''the good old days'' syndrome this, only in reverse

If you think this team is s*** then you can't have been around back in....

Could we really see Sir Kev or burrow doing the same

A one legged, half fit, half pace, Sinfield is still a million times better than Sutcliffe and would probably take us to the wins we need, even now.

Coming second in league many a time. Being turned over by the Pieeaters. Losing many semi finals. Only 1 Yorkshire cup success. However at least they did not give up with 20 minutes to go each week

Agreed

We had Mercer luckily return that year aswell who made a huge difference. Didn't we go through even more players that year than this?

In agree. Thompson's defence is woeful with high numbers of missed tackles. In both games that Smith and Thompson have played together Smith had a much higher work rate per minute and made 1 missed tackle compared with 19 from Thompson

Sinfield rated JJB as our best forward against Widnes!

He had no choice given our serious injury crisis and Sinfield has reported he is having to do the same!