It'll be interesting to see what attitude Leeds show. I think hudds will be desperate to put this week's humiliation behind them. Could be our turn if we don't show some balls.

Giants v Salford in the MPG IMO

Either way some gog3s are gonna have to eat some humble pie if one of these sides gets relegated

Looks like that way to me also. And Salford comfortably beat Hudds at the start of the Middle 8's. This Hudds team definitely could be the one that's going down. Obviously Paul Anderson was struggling this year and wasn't winning games but under him I don't recall them losing games in such fashion as they've done vs Leigh and Salford in this Middle 8's, like I said he was struggling this year but I fancy he'd have kept up through this Middle 8's.

For the integrity of the competition Leeds need to field as strong a side as they can and fully commit otherwise the competition is a joke.

Leeds v Leigh what's the point if Leeds are going to take the attitude many on here are suggesting - if that is the case that is taking attendance monies under false pretences!!

If Leeds had clinched the LLS last year before the final game vs Hudds would you say we should play our strongest team or rest players for the playoffs?

Happens in sport all the time, when a team has guaranteed there position they rest starters, the final day of the Premiership season often sees several changes made by team that have nothing to play for. Hell in cricket I see Emgland have asked Yorkshire not to play Root or Bairstow in their crucial county games. We've earnt the chance to send our players away for post season ops etc. the other teams like Hudds and HKR could've put themselves in the same position.

If the 19 man squad for these next two games indicate what the match day squad will look like then I see no problem. The Leigh game is two weeks away, plenty of time for people weigh up whether they want to go depending on the circumstances and potential lineup.

Resting players has been shown not to necessarily deliver the correct outcomes. When Leeds won the GF from fifth playing there strongest side every week at the end of the campaign was seen as a real positive when compared to sides who had weeks off and rested players.

This isn't just about Leeds this is about an even playing field where potentially players livelihoods are at risk

Nothing rests on Leeds vs Leigh so that one has zero impact on players livelihoods.

As for the Hudds game. They, HKR and Salford have had 28 games to guarantee their safety. If it was the other way round and HKR were safe and resting players and we were in 4th I'm sure you'd be the first to say we've only got ourselves to blame. HKR might seem the team most affected by us resting players vs Hudds but KR's future is still in their own hands by beating Hudds the following week and they could've beaten Leigh the other week and they could've beaten us in Round 23 and gotten those different fixtures and an extra home game.

If we want to do well in 2017 we start the preparation for 2017 right now. Hull and Warrington weren't naming strongest lineups for pretty much all of last year's Top 8's and were instead looking ahead to 2016 and look how that's done for them. The sooner we get players rested, fit, fixed up for the 2017 pre-season the better chance we have of hitting the ground running in 2017.

I was one of the people who said we had to go as serious as possible vs Batley as their was a job to do and others wanted half the u19's in.....that in my opinion was showing the greater disrespect to the competition when safety wasn't guaranteed.

Let's put it is way. If Kallum Watkins plays vs Hudds and does his knee exactly the same as Stevie Ward did 12 months and we lose him for most of 2017 as we still happy we picked our strongest lineup?

Re the Watkins scenario yes. Because that's a risk we take every time players go on the field, even for training.

These games are now meaningless. Use the opportunity to give the likes of Smith, Mullalley, Handley etc a start.

Meaningless for Leeds and Leigh but for the integrity of the competition they are not. Certainly not meaningless for HKR and The Giants and financially not for others as the difference in funding between 6th and 7th is around 300k. I understand in a way what people are saying but come on, there are only 2 games left of the season. The only game at this moment in time that is meaningless is Leeds v Leigh in week 7.

The middle eights are over for us now, we should take the opportunity to send as many players away for a long pre-season as possible.

I agree.
If we deliberately field a weakened team it makes the competition a farce as we could be the one who decides who goes down
I am sure if we were in the same position as Salford, Huddersfield and HKR and one of them did the same to us there be uproar and outrage on this board.

We would play the same way whether we put the same team as last week, or make half a dozen changes. The only thing that would change would be the enthusiasm from those looking to stake a claim. That can only be for the benefit of those teams who haven't warranted the right to rest players.

The point I am making is not whether the first team will be ars*d to play, but we should be seen to do the right thing for the sake of the competition and not give an unfair advantage to another team.

We will play a full team, or as close as damn it, but the first teamers heads will be 'on the beach' so to speak. So Gotcha has a point, it would be likely far harder for Hudds facing a set of young players hungry to stake a claim and impress than a set of players who realise the season is pretty much done and are going through the motions.

The dead rubber is against Leigh in the final week.
However there might be a hefty difference in cash paid to the winner of the qualifiers compared to the runner up so still something to play for.
As far as resting players goes I would imagine Watkins, Hall and possibly Ferres will make the Engalnd side so maybe give them a week off at the end.
Give two or three fringe players a run against Leigh but I would resist wholesale changes against Huddersfield.
I am sure given the chance Leigh would love to rough up our young inexperienced pack if we opted to promote the U19`s for this game.

Correct me if i'm wrong but I think it's the same prize money for the top 3 or 4?

your prize money is your SL tv money.

5-8 get prize money because they miss out on the SL money.

From a giants fans perspective I'd like only to play the strongest Leeds team available. We are in a mess and we ourselves need to learn to put it right without the help from anyone. It would be unfair to the entire system.

Why wouldn't you want your strongest team out. From the shambles you've had to watch for most of the season, you're loyalty is owed every good game they can give you. They don't deserve an early break.

It's not about them deserving a break, it's about I'm more interested in us doing well in 2017 than these two games. Sooner some players get themselves fixed and rested up the sooner they can get back for pre-season.

We had an early exit from the 2014 playoffs and a losing run in the league and look how we came back in 2015
We had a very long season in 2015 and spent several weeks patting ourselves on our backs and look how 2016 went.
Look at Hull and Warrington, they stopped caring about the 2015 season from the first week of the Top 8's and look at them now.

Putting on a performance against Hudds isn't going to polish what's happened this year so why even pretend. All thought should be on 2017 now, that gives us several weeks head start on the likes of the current Top 4 who still have to focus on this year.

Leeds will play a full strength team for the remaining 2 games no doubt about it.

I think they probably will.....don't think it's the right idea though.

If JJB is going round again then he should be feet up for the next 2 weeks. probably Watkins and Hall too as they will likely figure until back end of november for England. I would probably look at keeping McGuire in cotton wool and give a couple of the props like Galloway and Cuthbertson an extended rest. The rest probably play.

I would guess we will go out to win with the best side available. There certainly is a case for resting JJB and Watkins because of their high workload but with the latter having taken so long to find his best form may he well want to enjoy it for a bit longer. I would be disappointed if the fit players didn't want to keep winning for the fans sake.

You still talking poop Smokey? All 8 qualifiers monies for next season are decided by their position...it's not prize money. I am sure you will have a comeback (usually contradicting what you originally said but purporting to be the same)