Some really good points - I think the club will struggle on until the stands are finished - as long as they don't fall out of SL I can't see the club changing anything. The back row will be retained i.e. Delanney/JJB/Ferres/Ablett - no way the club is going to let all 4 go at the same time. If Moon is off then I don't see him being replaced externally. I see another year of the same i.e. same coach same squad - the club will use injuries as a justification for not needing further strengthening.

Time for mcdermott to move on for me, we look a complete shambles.I Dont expect to win every game or every trophy, but i expect us to at least look like a professional rugby team, that train together regularly, even accounting for the injurys, we look a complete shambles, with not one hint that any thought has gone into a gameplan.

McDermott's biggest asset is his ability to get a side up for a big game. We are a side that plays with little structure and have had a mainly 'off the cuff' style under him. Its no surprise we look all lost at sea without big names in, as we always have under Mac. I still wouldn't write us off as a chance in the CC if we get a few back by the semis should we see off Leigh but regards SL it looks a lost cause at the minute.

That's all well & good when your team has the likes of Sinfield Mcguire Peacock Burrow along with good quality around em.
Now its a Team that needs some sort of structure more quality & less past it/never will bees.
Ive said it before but i think we need a post Lance type Cull.
Back the better younger lads build aroubd good pros & sign some genuine quality.
Oh & just to be clear YES id take 12/24mths without being major contenders as long as we see a clear plan/direction like we did back then.

must watch Mac's Presser again .Did he say give me 75% of my full squad and we'll get to the Challenge cup final and give us a sniff I think we will win it ? looks like he's trying his Cas 66-10 post game statement again at least he's not mention the SL GF

You make two main points there that contradict one another. First, McDermott gets side up for big game, then look lost without big names. That’s the point, which is most important? Personally, and I have never seen anything different, the big names are more important than the title of coach. He’s been an incredibly lucky guy to have the job he has had with the players he’s had. He can’t coach simple as, nothing more than a figurehead.

Last night showed what all can see. Look at Hull with an equal injury list, and they are not alone over last few years. You don’t expect to win a game, you know that you are likely to tire, but what you expect, and what other coaches seem to manage, is to get your side to fight with pride and desire to at least start the game with some momentum. He couldn’t even manage that.

He is so lost without his bigger players, that he puts careers at risk playing them injured. That is not good, not good at all.

Look around the league though, every single team has players missing, they get on with it. Hull KR just beat an inform Wigan with a big injury list. Even Saints went to Cas on Thursday without the best winger and best prop in the country, and still destroyed that team.

I feel sorry for the guy, that he will be the guy for all to blame when it comes, when he has had the worship of plenty, but others who are actually poorly managing the situation above him, will escape the criticism.

On the plus side of the match, I thought Golding and Oledzki were absolutely terrific out there. They put in the required effort, desire, and quality needed. On the Golding thing, that is something we should be crediting McDermott on. Who would have really thought he could be an adequate hooker? It isn’t the running that is standing out it’s his defensive effort. Would rather go with him than Dwyer currently. Oledzki is making a mockery of the pishing and whining of missing props. He offers far more than Mullalley and Singleton, but would be out of the side with those two back.

bluey couldn't coach either. but he recognized that and he was sensible enough to let Cummins and poching do all the training ground stuff.
McDermott won't let anybody else near.
was he lucky? yes he was but let's give him some credit.he obviously contributed a lot.
but now? he has to go.

Didn't realise McDermott was playing today? Are you blaming him now for the injuries as well as the players errors on the field?

would you blame him for anything? or he is blameless and every one else at fault?

You say McD wont let anyone else near but at the open training session in Melbourne he stood 60 yards away talking to someone while Eaton and Chev took the session.

Thats the problem for me, he needs a team full of stars, or full of players more talented than there opposition to be successful, and when the players arnt at there best, theres nothing there in the way of coaching to fall back on, we dont just look bad, we look ugly, an unorganized mess, with players trying to pull a rabbits out of there backsides because they havnt got a clue what to do. I dont see that as an off the cuff style, i see it as poor coaching. Stevie ward said he was proud of the team last night, thats rubbish, teams with less talent than the one we put out last night have hammered this very poor and also very poorly coached catalan team, it suggests even the players feel they need a 1 to 17 clearly stronger man for man than there opponents to succeed. Castleford last week had as many and possibly more important players than us missing, but they played to there clear gameplan and beat us comfortably, while we throw the ball about, without a clue, like its a game of touch rugby, hoping for the best.

Whilst no one can argue with the trophies he's won, or that his important players seem to really like him, he's been fortunate to have a squad full of legends and some of the most inspirational leaders the british games seen throughout his spell here, who would probably not of needed much help getting up for the big games. The rugby we'v played under him has largely been dreadful imo, 2015 was good to watch, not just for the trophies but actually playing good rugby, but again, that squad was so much better than the opposition, dean lance would of had us playing decent stuff.

Just my opinion, and i know it wont be a popular one, but i think we'v won what we'v won despite of him, not because of him.

I see first and second in SL are St. Helens and Wigan....remember them last season, dreadful...loads of injuries and poor form, though Saints did pick up at the back end...a case of deja vu?!

Saints got a coach and a superstar

Hope so, the saints model, sack mcdermott, get a compotent coach and storm the league nxt year.

You do realise Saints brought in a new coach half way through last season? This completely turning them around. But for missed goal kicks in the semi they would have won the GF last season. Yet many on here were quick to write them off as rubbish and would be nowhere near the top six.

I am not so sure of that on bluey. He managed a few times winning matches we had written off due to playing near reserve sides. And his development of younger players was first class. Hell, he could even win league matches against Castleford

On the actual game last night thought Myler, Oledzki, Walker and Golding went pretty well and Walters put some good effort in. Myler is the clear leader in superleague for assists now after his 3 last night. Ward had probably his worst game in a leeds shirt, trying too hard imo, ferris absolute garbage again and cuthbertson needs to play more like a prop than a 6 whilst we'r light on forwards.

Ash Handley intrigues me, his defence is poor at the moment, but he shows a load of potential ball in hand thats worth percivering with imo, he's going to be a great athlete, he'l be 6'3/6'4 and over 16 st by the time he's 25, he's rapid with good footwork and he's got some very natural and impressive ball handling skills, he runs some good lines and knows how to put his winger in. He can go from awful to great and back again in the space of one game at the minute, but think he could be some player when he pieces it all together, if his futures at , he needs to work hard on his defence, if he eventually goes back to wing, he needs to work on taking high balls. I really hope we give him another conrract and see where he can get to over the next 2 or 3 years.

From a Dragons Perspective we are a much improved team .It is ,however,a great help that we only have one major injury.I saw Leeds at Newcastle last week and both then and yesterday your forwards were not making nearly enough ground.You only got into the match yesterday because of Moa's suspension and Mcilorum's 20 minute rest. But like no other side you have shown how you can come back from adversity and I think you will again.

You are correct, we’re not making enough ground with the ball in hand, we desperately need Garbutt back from his injury.

Agree on Garbutt, was having an absolute stormer against Hull in the game he got injured. One of the best and most underrated props in superleague.

Totally agree about Catalan, very aggressive, on the borderline and a few times over it though IMO. You were totally dominant and was no need for Moa to do what he did , it was a red card for me. From then Leeds came back but Were bullied up front in general If Catalan could keep the discipline, they will be very tough to beat in France for rest of this year.

Re Leeds agree with many feels like a change is needed, however Holbrook, wane or anyone else would have no chance with the injuries up front and can't turn the clock back 5 years in the back row.

I suspect cuthbo and ward were borderline fit to play at best and Delaney not even that. It's almost cruel.

On plus side Thought Ferres was much better, think he played full game and only one able to give some back to the likes of Bird.

McD has a brilliant record of getting sides to peak at the end of the season, if that does not happen this year, I think a change will come.

Don't think its easy as that, put our Justin Holbrook into the Leeds club with all those injuries and I don't think you will see a great amount of difference. You still need a couple of pivots and leaders but McDermott hasn't got it at the moment, very honest post match comment from him talking about some of his players taking hight shots and getting up off the floor straight away whilst a couple of Catalans stay down and milk the situation in reference to Bird faking that he had just received a crusher tackle.

Thought the comments were uncalled for, pointless and not really important to the context of the game to be honest. He's basically accusing Bird of faking injury, which is poor imo as he hasnt got a clue if he was hurt or not, His own captain was down for much longer than bird, like bird, it was from an awkward landing in the tackle, but ultimately , like Bird, Ward was fine to carry on, players get hurt in rugby league, sometimes the initial pain is worse than the actual injury. To accuse Bird of feigning but make no mention of Ward is hypercritical more than honest imo. Like Mcdermott, im not qualified to asess if either player was hurt, but im pretty confident they were both hurt, but fortunatly neither turned out to be to serious.

Im also very confident holbrook would be putting the players we'v got out there at the minute in much better situations to succeed than mcdermott is. Most coaches in superleague would love to be able to field a team containing...Hall, Myler, Walker, Briscoe, Cuthbertson, Ward, Dwyer, Delaney and Ferres, all international or good quality superleague players throughout there careers, they would also love to be able to call on Oledzki and Cam Smith two of the best young talents in the country to step up when needed. We arnt fielding an under 14's team, theres enough talent and experience in that group to be competitive or at the very least look like a professional rugby league team, Who have met each other before.

I’m pretty confident that if Ward goes down hes hurt. I don’t have that same confidence with Bird. I’ve seen him on numerous occasions fake/overplay injuries/high shots etc in an attempt to win penalties. He’s well known for it.

100% agree Him.