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| All i can recall seeing on these forums regards teams luck in the draw of late is people stating the fact that Wigan have had an easy run of it from right through last years campaign,including the final, and this one so far(and yes,under William eve's WBSLR rules Cas at home is easy.). Not their fault as thats how these random things go sometimes, but a fair observation nonetheless.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Whinge, Whine, Moan... Unlucky Leeds, Jammy Wigan... etc.
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Aye, all true.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Whinge, Whine, Moan... Unlucky Leeds, Jammy Wigan... etc.
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Any of those facts I posted incorrect?
Any use of the word bad luck/unlucky?
If posting stats on past draws is whining and bitching then what do you call your posts?
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| Quote @PeteSmithYEP: Drawing Wakefield Wildcats away means Leeds Rhinos will have faced one lower division team in 16 Challenge Cup ties, including finals!'"
This is an interesting assertion by Peter Smith of the YEP last month.
On first glance, it implies that Leeds have been unfortunate in only having faced a lower division team just the once in their last 16 CC ties. However, it was impossible for them to draw lower division opposition in 7 out of their last 16 CC games for the simple reason there were no lower division teams left in the competition! In 4 other instances, the odds on facing lower division opposition were only ever marginal ranging from a 13%-28% range of possibility.
Since drawing Blackpool at home in the 5th Round in 2010...
1. =#0000FFQF 2010 - Drew Wigan(H) - 28% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
2. =#FF0000SF 2010 - Drew St Helens - 0% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
3. CCF 2010 - Warrington - 0% chance of facing lower division opposition.
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4. CC4 2011 - Drew Crusaders(H) - 58% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
5. =#0000FFCC5 2011 - Drew Harlequins(H) - 13% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
6. =#FF0000QF 2011 - Drew Hull(A) - 0% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
7. SF 2011 - Drew Castleford - 0% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
8. CCF 2011 - Warrington - 0% chance of facing lower division opposition.
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9. CC4 2012 - Drew Wakefield(H) - 58% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
10. CC5 2012 - Drew Salford(A) - 47% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
11. =#0000FFQF 2012 - Drew Leigh(A) - 14% chance of drawing lower division opposition (THEY DID!).
12. =#FF0000SF 2012 - Drew Wigan - 0% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
13. CCF 2012 - Warrington - 0% chance of facing lower division opposition.
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14. CC4 2013 - Drew Castleford(H) - 58% chance of facing lower division opposition.
15. =#0000FFCC5 2013 - Drew Huddersfield(A) - 27% chance of facing lower division opposition.
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16. CC4 2014 - Drew Wakefield(A) - 58% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
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CC5 2014 - Drew St Helens(H) - 47% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
=#0000FFQF 2014 - Drew Leigh(H) - 28% chance of drawing lower division opposition (THEY DID!).
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| Quote ="Wheels"Oh.'"
Indeed.
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| 1. the percentage my interest in this thread has dropped = 86.2
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| Quote ="tvoc"Who just happen to be the exact three teams that have beaten Leeds at Headingley in the Challenge Cup during the SL Era within William's excellent piece of research, which should put this unlucky in the cup theory to bed but you can bet that it won't.'"
A steady run of 10 successive away draws for Leeds in the CC would even the "luck" side of things up, though I'd expect many to be apoplectic and up in arms after a run of say 3 or 4 in succession.
Lucky Wigan drawn at home 43% of the time during the SL era compared to Leeds piddling 60% of the time.
Pffft.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"1. the percentage my interest in this thread has dropped = 86.2'"
That's what Neymar cost Barcelona last year in Euromillions.
Waste of money if you ask me.
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| Quote ="William Eve"That's what Neymar cost Barcelona last year in Euromillions.
Waste of money if you ask me.'"
The lottery?....... they won Neymar in the lottery
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| Quote ="William Eve"That's what Neymar cost Barcelona last year in Euromillions.
Waste of money if you ask me.'"
And indeed it won't have escaped your notice that -
Punctuality on the railways reached 86.2% during November 2013.
The moving annual average is now at 90.5% -
...which gives me a slightly better chance of getting to Headingley on time on Friday.
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| Quote ="My Cherry Amour"And indeed it won't have escaped your notice that -
Punctuality on the railways reached 86.2% during November 2013.
The moving annual average is now at 90.5% -
...which gives me a slightly better chance of getting to Headingley on time on Friday.'"
British Rail had a more impressive punctuality record than that.
And their fares were a lot more reasonable.
Could you please excuse me as I'm about to register a whinge about Leeds poor fortune in CC draws. I've just been informed that the likelihood of Leeds drawing SL opposition in the CC round after next is pretty much nailed on AGAIN! It's so unfair.
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| Quote ="William Eve"That's what Neymar cost Barcelona last year in Euromillions.
Waste of money if you ask me.'"
Your knowledge of football as we saw the other day isnt upto much.
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| People like a moan. It's human nature to moan about random events beyond our control and if I corrected my wife everytime she decided to do something similar I would have been found as a bloody corpse many years ago.
On the other hand random events beyond our control (and our primitive attempt to make sense of them) would seem to be the basis that all religions are founded on, so maybe some accurate stats aren't such a bad thing.
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| Quote ="William Eve"This is an interesting assertion by Peter Smith of the YEP last month.
On first glance, it implies that Leeds have been unfortunate in only having faced a lower division team just the once in their last 16 CC ties. However, it was impossible for them to draw lower division opposition in 7 out of their last 16 CC games for the simple reason there were no lower division teams left in the competition! In 4 other instances, the odds on facing lower division opposition were only ever marginal ranging from a 13%-28% range of possibility.
Since drawing Blackpool at home in the 5th Round in 2010...
1. =#0000FFQF 2010 - Drew Wigan(H) - 28% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
2. =#FF0000SF 2010 - Drew St Helens - 0% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
3. CCF 2010 - Warrington - 0% chance of facing lower division opposition.
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4. CC4 2011 - Drew Crusaders(H) - 58% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
5. =#0000FFCC5 2011 - Drew Harlequins(H) - 13% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
6. =#FF0000QF 2011 - Drew Hull(A) - 0% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
7. SF 2011 - Drew Castleford - 0% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
8. CCF 2011 - Warrington - 0% chance of facing lower division opposition.
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9. CC4 2012 - Drew Wakefield(H) - 58% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
10. CC5 2012 - Drew Salford(A) - 47% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
11. =#0000FFQF 2012 - Drew Leigh(A) - 14% chance of drawing lower division opposition (THEY DID!).
12. =#FF0000SF 2012 - Drew Wigan - 0% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
13. CCF 2012 - Warrington - 0% chance of facing lower division opposition.
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14. CC4 2013 - Drew Castleford(H) - 58% chance of facing lower division opposition.
15. =#0000FFCC5 2013 - Drew Huddersfield(A) - 27% chance of facing lower division opposition.
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16. CC4 2014 - Drew Wakefield(A) - 58% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
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CC5 2014 - Drew St Helens(H) - 47% chance of drawing lower division opposition.
=#0000FFQF 2014 - Drew Leigh(H) - 28% chance of drawing lower division opposition (THEY DID!).'"
Strong life.
Strong eveything.
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| This thread is insulting to Leigh Centurions....how lucky were Leeds in drawing a championship side. Tell you what, let's just cancel the fixture, and give Leeds a bye.
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| Quote ="terrykelly"This thread is insulting to Leigh Centurions....how lucky were Leeds in drawing a championship side. Tell you what, let's just cancel the fixture, and give Leeds a bye.'"
He was actually making a point about HOME fixtures.
You're the second one to go for the "they're insulting us by looking past us" mock anger technique. It's rubbish just to let you know and won't make a difference to what happens on the pitch.
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| 175 posts....and hardly any from Leeds fans about the game. Wonder who you will get in the semi final ?
William Eve will say Widnes or Keighley I guess.
I reckon you will draw Warrington or Bradford (just keeping in line with this topic's thread)
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| What's there to discuss about the game really? We're going to win, most likely by 40+ points
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| I'm going for a Leigh win
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| Quote ="MattyLeeds"What's there to discuss about the game really? We're going to win, most likely by 40+ points'"
oh yes, I reckon 88-0 at half time, full time of 122-6.....you arrogant sheep !
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| Or perhaps talk about the game when it comes around which is still a while away. We got Wigan in 48 hours, why talk about Leigh which is in 5/6 weeks from now?
Talk about over sensitive.
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| Fair enough.....WIGAN is a massive game, but even 'score predictions' the week before our game, is better than nothing. PLEASE BEAT THE PIES !
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| Quote ="William Eve"You ought to feel privileged that I selected your quote out of all the dross in circulation on social media in the immediate aftermath of the CC draw having taken place
Five years wasn't it according to you? Since Leeds had drawn non-SL opposition until someone piped up that Leeds had in fact drawn Leigh as recently as 2012. Then there's the not-insignificant matter of absolutely nobody making any reference to drawing non-SL opposition Blackpool at home in 2010. Prior to that there was Celtic Crusaders in 2008, Workington in 2007, Rochdale and Leigh in 2006, Pia in 2005, Workington again in 2004, Whitehaven in 2003, Swinton in 2001, Fev and Dewsbury in 2000, Widnes in 1999, Whitehaven, Dewsbury and Fev in 1997.
Given the shedload of CC draws Leeds had been randomly gifted against non-SL opposition in the period immediately prior to the last 4 seasons (NOT 5 and NOT including Leigh in 2012 of course), it's no surprise some Leeds fans may feel short-changed as those easy peasy non-SL opposition CC draws of recent yesteryear have dried up somewhat to be replaced by draws against mainly Whipping Boy SL Rabble. I mean how tough is it to be drawn against teams like Wakey, Cas, Salford, London/Quins and Crusaders instead?
Then there's the small matter of all those favourable home draws that Leeds have been randomly gifted but don't quite fit in with an agenda which likes to paint an unfortunate run of bad luck with reference to CC draws. I would expect Leeds fans on the terraces and across all social media to start screaming FOUL should the club be randomly drawn away from home in the CC let's say 2 or perhaps 3 times in succession!
I'd have been well impressed if you had sarcastically posted 'FINALLY, A LEEDS HOME DRAW!' instead
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You should have just posted the last sentence instead of all that codswallop, much easier
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| Quote ="terrykelly"oh yes, I reckon 88-0 at half time, full time of 122-6.....you arrogant sheep !'"
Seriously.... what is your problem?
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