Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what you ACTUALLY posted.

So if not aimed at "Him", who is it aimed at?

I like how people have latched onto a *possible* inaccuracy in *one* of my points, whilst avoiding the many MANY points I've proven thus far to be correct, responded still with the insults and vitriol, as if that somehow makes my (qualified) points null and void.

Let's just establish what I've said from the start of this thread:

1) Wigan were not flawless in discipline, but neither were Leeds - PROVEN
2) Both teams were without very important players - PROVEN
3) The next time Wigan and Leeds meet should be a very good match - SHOULD BE, TBC
4) Pat Richards would probably have made a difference - PROVEN
5) Pat Richards is statisically better than Danny McGuire and Jamie Peacock combined, and has almost as good a strikerate as Ryan Hall & Kevin Sinfield COMBINED (over 5 years... because just based on last year it's BETTER) - PROVEN
6) The overwhelming majority of Leeds fans on this board respond to facts that they don't like with insults, or will wander wildly off topic and berate, for example, an avatar or signature, or even post images from other websites without permission - PROVEN
7) The overwhelming majority of Leeds fans on this board will go quiet for a page or two when suitably embarrassed, only to return and pretend that the bit where they were shown up NEVER HAPPENED - PROVEN
icon_cool.gif Occasionally, a Leeds fan may respond apparently intelligently, however with a completely WRONG "fact"... case in point Sam Buca II with "You would expect a winger/fb (full back) to win... meters(sic) made" - PROVEN
9) People can breach the AUP multiple times on this board and not get punished because "That's not how it works around here." Luckily I haven't broken the AUP once yet, so I won't find out how it DOES work.
10) Danny McGuire sometimes slots in the defence at winger - DISPUTED, TO BE OBSERVED.




What, Young player of the year 2010? Or agile, fast, evasive, cunning and highly skillful?

As I've said... 8.

Yup. That's me in a nutshell fella.

Thanks for noticing.

He would have to withdraw his head from his rectum first. I don't think he's been able to do that since his first post with that avatar, so I wouldn't hold your breath on that. Still, a nice comedy interlude every now and then.

You missed 'cheating little sh*t'

It's not a "possible inaccuracy", it's just plain wrong. The fact that you won't admit that you were wrong and that your point was just plain ridiculous in the first place is what's making everyone's Mondays just that bit funnier.


This is possibly the funniest thread since Loiner4Life was buying his own items on ebay.

So a winger/fb who does 10-20 kick returns a game at 10-20m a time isnt expected to make more meters than a prop & hb who'll make 7m and maybe 5m respectively?

Of course not! Dont be daft. But don't forget that wingers defend and attack in the middle of the pitch since all stand-off's actually play on the wing.

I'm loving how this fishface chap passes off contrived opinion as PROVEN fact.

Keep it up lad you're a comical genius.

Quote ="Fishsta"No, because I know what I've seen. I've lost no credibility at all.'" So you want me to agree with others that you started with no credibility? OK, if it makes you happy, I'll agree. Quote ="Fishsta"Y'know, if you do a search on "Danny McGuire News" on google, one of the first links you come to talks of him regaining possession from Ade Gardner (a winger), and running to score on the wing. '" And in Fishsta-world that proves this: Quote ="Fishsta"One last point about McGuire, he may be listed as a half, but he spends =#FF0000a lot of time in defence on the wings...'" Is this it; www.therhinos.co.uk/images/news/ ... Helens.jpg Neither player appears to be on the wing .... is that really possible? Tell me the game (year, date, comp ect) your Gardner-McGuire reference comes from and I'll try and have a look if the incident fits in with your defensive alignment point. I can't say fairer than that now can I? Quote ="Fishsta"If you want to show that I'm wrong, in the words of Sam Buca II... Prove it.'" McGuire has started 207 games in the halves for Leeds. If you want proof pick any one of those (it doesn't matter which any one would do) and note where he positions himself in the defensive pattern.

Quote ="Fishsta"No, because I know what I've seen. I've lost no credibility at all.'" So you want me to agree with others that you started with no credibility? OK, if it makes you happy, I'll agree. Quote ="Fishsta"Y'know, if you do a search on "Danny McGuire News" on google, one of the first links you come to talks of him regaining possession from Ade Gardner (a winger), and running to score on the wing. '" And in Fishsta-world that proves this: Quote ="Fishsta"One last point about McGuire, he may be listed as a half, but he spends =#FF0000a lot of time in defence on the wings...'" Is this it; www.therhinos.co.uk/images/news/ ... Helens.jpg Neither player appears to be on the wing .... is that really possible? Tell me the game (year, date, comp ect) your Gardner-McGuire reference comes from and I'll try and have a look if the incident fits in with your defensive alignment point. I can't say fairer than that now can I? Quote ="Fishsta"If you want to show that I'm wrong, in the words of Sam Buca II... Prove it.'" McGuire has started 207 games in the halves for Leeds. If you want proof pick any one of those (it doesn't matter which any one would do) and note where he positions himself in the defensive pattern.

TVOC laying the smacketh downeth...

Fishsta has been battered

Not when a prop will make 20-30 drives per game. Plus, you're being rather ambitious on the kick return distance, and conservative on the drive distances.



It really doesn't matter. I've already said I'll take your word for it, but I'll be watching next time Leeds (and Danny) are on TV, and I'll let you know how many times he slots in on the wing. I'm happy to admit I'm wrong if I'm wrong, but the fact is I HAVE seen him do it on a regular basis.

Good choice of photo, by the way, does he normally tackle high like that?




I don't think so somehow. IF I'm wrong on this one point, there's still 8 more up there (not counting point 3), and point 6 has been proven more and more and more.

Anyone care to explain why Ryan Hall wasn't cited for leading with the elbow? (12mins 37secs on BBC iPlayer, if you need a reference)

Is it because he didn't lead with the elbow?

You do have a habit of making things up don't you? There were only 2 props in the league who averaged over 20 carries per game last season (and one of them by a very small amount) and only 5 players in the entire league regardless of position managed such a feat as 20 carries per game. So why do you assume all props should? Are you making it up or do you simply not know very much about the sport?


Ah, so we've moved from McGuire spending a lot of time defending on the wing, to you saw him defend there, to you've seen him slot in there. That's a miraculous evolution given the assured manner of your initial post on the issue.
How often per game is "a regular basis"?


You are very adept at making bullsh[ii[/it claims aren't you. What kind of Poetic Justice should befall Ryan if you do believe he's led with the elbow? Another knee reconstruction?

Does typing a word in CAPITALS make whatever is being referred to definitive?

I think it does FACT!

My ESTIMATION had a basis in reality, unlike Sam Buca II's which was way out. In his/her defence, Sam Buca II came up with a reasonable attempt to debate with me.



Like I said, I will be watching.



And you're adept at using childish gutter language, breaking the AUP by subverting the swear filter and failing to comprehend the points I previously made re: Poetic Justice.

As for what should befall Ryan, apparently Sean Long faces a potential 5 match ban for the same offence, although I don't know how they come up with that level of seriousness when Joel Tomkins only got 2 for one that looked more clear cut about 3 weeks ago. A 1 or 2 match ban would be fair, I think.



No, it's EMPHASIS. I could use bold, but (so I've been told, I've done no research on this) 3% of Internet users browse in plain text only so don't see images or formatting.

You're not very good at this are you Fishta? You really don't know when people are taking the p1ss out of you, do you?

Hasta La Depature Baby, as Arnie might have grunted.....

I've told you.... Unconscious Incompetent.

Just to be clear, that's Fishta. Not Billy.

FAO Fishta; I know what I've done there is quote Billy, then written "Unconscious Incompetent" but that is directed at you. Just in case Billy gets offended thinking it's him. Although I'm sure he won't, because he can read and follow a conversation.

In what way was it more clear cut?

Joel Tomkins was charged with a Grade B offence for use of a forearm while in possession.

Sean Long has so far been charged with a Grade D offence of an intentional strike with a forearm/elbow.

I agree there is a world of difference between the two incidents.

tvoc...

Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Top 10 meters maker in 2010

James Graham (Prop) - 26Apps - 598 Carries - 4036m made - 6.7m per carry
James Roby (Hooker) - 26Apps - 529 Carries - 3749m made - 7.1m per carry
Pat Richards (Wing/FB) - 27Apps - 444 Carries - 3670m made - 8.2m per carry
Nick Youngquest (Wing) - 26Apps - 403 Carries - 3347m made - 8.0m per carry
Ryan McGoldrick (FB) - 26Apps - 511 Carries - 3189m made - 6.2m per carry
Peter Fox (Wing) - 27Apps - 350 Carries - 3100m made - 8.8m per carry
Andy Lynch (Prop) - 25Apps - 506 Carries - 3074m made - 6m per carry
David Hodgson (Wing) - 27Apps - 371 Carries - 3073m made - 8.2m per carry
Rhys Lovegrove (Prop) - 27Apps - 408 Carries - 3029m made - 7.42m per carry
Rangi Chase (HB) - 25Apps - 653 Carries - 3006m made - 4.6m per carry.

So Fishy, only 3 members of the forwards are in the top 10 (1 of them is a machine). 6 of them are either FBs or Wingers.
Does this prove that FBs & Wingers are expected to make more meters than a prop?

Does this prove that a prop's drive distances aren't above 8m per carry which i thought was generous at best and I think you've already been proven wrong when it comes to terms of the forward's carries per game.
A FB/Winger's kick return will be 10m+ but it will be equalled out with the 1st 2-3 carries of a set after a kick being a wing/centre/fb's job to take the ball up.

*Exits Tvoc mode*

I'm prepared to give him one last shot at this.



But it really does. You offer it as evidence and I've offered to have a look to see where McGuire was defending during the build up (I have an extensive Leeds DVD library and I'd be disappointed if I couldn't find the incident you have highlighted.) Gardner has faced Leeds 28 times (2003-2011) while McGuire has scored a total of 16 tries V St Helens. You should note in advance I have no idea which of McGuire's tries this particular one will turn out to be but I am willing to roll the dice.

Post the link from Google and I'll do the rest .... I still can't say fairer than that.



You do that and be sure to come back here when it happens. When McGuire plays stand-off he'll defend 2nd man in on the right between centre and wing - just as all Leeds stand-offs have for several seasons.



Most wingers tackle like that.

Honestly fishsta, a lot of us on here are season ticket holders and have been watching McGuire since his debut for Leeds many moons ago, you have not seen him defend on the wing on a regular basis, in fact I personally cannot think of any single occasion I've seen him on the wing apart from maybe after taking a knock, you may just be mistaking him for someone else! I'm not sure who....Marcus Bai maybe?





Sorry again but no it doesn't, I tried so TVOC could dig the match out.

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