I didn't see the game so I can't comment. or can I?

I do agree however 46 tackles is an official fact while opinions are just that.

An Opta tackle count is a number without explanation. Whether first man in making contact or third man in adding weight, controlling the speed of the following PTB all are registered the same. A mobile defender roaming at loose forward can accrue a high percentage of the latter. Posters who haven't seen the game have no way of relating a raw figure to what occurred during the eighty minutes.

Well you can look at marker tackles, which would more often than not indicate a first up tackle and also who a player working hard to make back to back tackles

Afraid I'll have to go with the majority. If I was to hear that Leeds had scored, say, 30 points in a game I'd not seen I couldn't give a reliable verdict on whether they'd played well.

Listening to a game on the radio and offering an opinion based upon that would provide a more credible opinion.

as would most normal people

JJB is an all effort hard working player who has given everything for Leeds every time he was played whether he is 1st 2nd or 7th man in the tackle.

has anybody said otherwise?

There's a joke about Wigan here somewhere...

No, but actually saying something on here doesn't stop someone from starting an argument based on the idea that somebody did.

It's the way they manage to cram all 7 on top of the tackled players head. Like getting 50 scouts in a mini, you think it can't be done until they do it.

Have i said they did?

£5 says BMcD doesn't use Lilley today.

ill take that

Lilley ran the show so far today, could moon and lilley with keinhorst at centre be are best half back combo.

moons been poor for me. odd glimpse but anonymous for long periods. still don't know why people want him in the halves

I thought Moon had some decent moments but as tad said, at times he was anonymous.

Lilley did very well when he came on. Some sensible kicking into touch also which sounds straightforward but we've shown plenty of times this year and even earlier in today's game that we don't always do that.

I like lilley. he'll only get better too. he's not a McGuire or burrow but he's an organiser

6/10 at best today & a stark reminder to GH changes are needed defensively we were garbage & attack wise we were too casual imo.

2 good props on show for london today in mark ioane and eddie battye

i know that we were interested in battye whilst he was at sheffield but that he had a well paid job and couldn't sign on a full time contract on the terms offered at either sheffield or us and that is why he moved to london to play

ioane looked like a work in progress model that was far superior to either mullally or baldwinson imo

I would agree with you there

Ioane certainly ran hard. I also liked the look of the young hooker Cunningham, but remember thinking the same while he was at Hull.

Is Alex Foster injured? He was a lad whose attitude I always liked.