He was pretty quiet. Bit of jizzing about Manfredi but knew Wigan were well beaten. It was Cummings who was being the biggest idiot this week, to be fair.

A bit touchy are you because Wigan lost are you?

In fact, are you Phil Clarke?

I could have sworn I saw Phil Clarkes tears dripping through South Stand roof....

Cummings now being the biggest idiot there isn't a great surprise tbh, it's seemingly a weekly occurrence nowadays and that's saying something given the lineup of voices they have during a broadcast.

It's when Wigan won here scoring 50 points past us a few years ago that you really want to worry about liquid dripping through the roof.

I'm sure any comments of his are well justified after a few 1,000 of your classiest fans chanted that he was a w@nker a few years back.

I don't care either way and tend to mute the commentary. Maybe you lot should try the same rather than getting all salty about it.

Did you see his disguise tonight?!

Coat zipped up and hood up



What's up Phil, scared of the reactions of the Leeds fans?!

Did the rugby gods tell you to post that?!

Doesn't care.....comes on opposition board straight after a defeat trying to defend him

Not bright over there in Wigan are they?!

In contrast to season to date Leeds looked better in first half to the second half. ... I thought Wigan were poor and should have been more soundly thumped. Maybe with better goalkicking they might have folded sooner. The score flattered them. (Why did Hardaker not take the goalkicks?)
As already stated elsewhere Hardaker as last line of defence is invaluable at times; which other FB would make the clean try saving tackles he does on the oppositon speedsters?

i wondered this myself. figured they gave it to sutty to give him exp. no idea why no one else took them. he is a quality player, sutty, but he cant kick a pen/conv for =/ sinny needs to give him a good few lessons.

I was happy to see Hardaker taking the K.O.s again. I remember him doing so at Widnes a couple of seasons ago and causing havok. He did likewise tonight. Hard to understand why he isn't used more often in this capacity.

Hardaker is no great shakes as a goalkicker either. Maybe Sutcliffe looked better in practice?

my first game this season hope to be back fora couple more and of course the finals.I thought we won at a cantor The scoreline flattered Wigan ,but remember we have had bad starts to the season too.

ahh, makes sense! sorry.
agreed Hall had a poor game

I couldn't agree more, very reminiscent of the kick offs that Pat Richards used to torment us with in previous seasons.
I really hope we can keep Zak & that he can sort out his other issues, he's head & shoulders the best FB in the superleague.

Agreed. There's bound to be the inevitable Sutcliffe/Sinfield debate on here during the week (that's another matter).....but whatever the outcome of that, Hardaker should keep kickoff duties regardless of who else plays.

But he is a ******

Embarrassing disguise tonight too.... "I'll put me hood up, no one will know it's me, s"

Going to do something I hate to do and criticise referees but feel I need to on this occasion......

Everytime we get silverwood as ref he looks frightened to death to give us anything, I believe this is probably down to him living in the area and him being labelled biased, if this continues though he should be banned from reffing us, he's ruining games (okay tonight maybe not so much, but look at saints game last season).

On another note, Hardaker showed why he's the best in the league, lord knows why sutcliffe was goal kicking, could have lost us 2 points if one or two things had gone a different way, good young player but no goal kicker IMO.

Cuthbertson looks another level, in terms of offloading props, the only player I could put up there with him is walmsley, but the cuth is on another level still!

Ash Handley good finisher, but worries me defensively!


Singleton needs a start, deserves a start!

According to Wane they dominated us at times, I'm struggling to remember these times.

Silverwood marched them down field for their first try, but it was usual Silverwood. Summed it up when he talked to Cuthbertson for the high tackle, but didn't speak to any of theirs.

All in all a good night. The youngsters showed up well and didn't look out of place. I like that they'd getting the chance when people are injured. Moon's defence was fantastic all night, put some really good hits in. But the left edge looks a bit out of sorts. It'll come good though and when it does we really will be firing.

It was a good response to the disappointment of Warrington. Hardaker, Cuthbertson, Ward and JJB were my stand outs.

And it was a great atmosphere, back to the old days

Sutty was a regular Goal Kicker in the Acadamy and people seem to have poor memories because when Sinfield first took over the kicking duties he was woeful and i distinctly remember 1 game v the Bulls when the SS were sing there's only one Ben Walker after numerous misses.
We've also seen Hardaker and Burrow take over the goal kicking and miss them in the past so a bit OTT on that score imo.
Our decision making/execusion kept them in the game but we were deservedly winners and no doubts the score line flattered them.
As for Silverwood it's time these official are made accountable for performances like that they were tackling like houses all second half and should have had more than Farrell in the bin.
Ablett and Hall had stinkers but i thought Haedaker ,Cuthbertson and Ward were excellent whereas Handley didn't look out of place nor did Yates.
A good win but plenty to work on.

Leeds absolutely took the mickey with the last 10 minutes, trying to score off every play. It's like they knew Wigan were no longer a threat after Burrow's try, and they were playing with them like a cat plays with a dead mouse. As it turns out it needed a couple of excellent one-on-ones from Hardaker to snuff out two threatening breaks from Burgess.

Wigan were in Leeds 20 three times in the first half and came away with points every time. That has to improve if Leeds want to stay where they are.

Cuthbertson and Ward were excellent again. Aiton was quietly effective with some nice touches. Otherwise, a bit of a mixed bag. Two terrible decisions from Ablett blew scores in the early exchanges, and he seemed to go into his shell after that.

Handley went ok. Held the line to take his try well. Looked a bit all over the place defensively in the last five minutes, but you wonder if that was the pace of the game catching up with him leading to a bit of mental fatigue. Got absolutely sold down the river for the high ball he dropped by Hardaker, who started going for it then pulled out for no apparent reason.

And speaking of terrible decisions...

There's little point putting a team on a "team warning" for an offence, if you're then going to spend the next 15 minutes completely ignoring the offence just so you don't have to bin someone. Some of the Wigan forwards (Bateman and Tomkins, J in particular) seem to be more interested in trying to start fights rather than actually concentrating on playing their game. Shame, as both of them have talent. Maybe they'd be better away from the Donkey Kong gorilla of a coach they have currently.

As for the non-advantage when Farrell was binned, that was an absolute nonsense. All he had to do was wait a second to see if Watkins got the ball away. If he didn't, then he could blow up and put Farrell in the bin. Didn't pick it up from the Sky audio, but I don't think he apologised for blowing up early choosing to make a joke out of it instead. Reminded me of a title decider at Central Park (1989?) when Robin Whitfield blew up for a penalty every time Leeds looked like scoring.

Referees need to be held accountable for high profile mistakes. Unfortunately with Tim Roby gone, the RFL aren't going to start dropping their remaining full-time officials and bringing in ones from the Championship.

I felt when silver wood blew up he should have awarded a penalty try anyway. Farrell blatantly stopped a certain try.

Leeds played quite well; how Wigan were still in it up to Burrow's try is a bit concerning. Wigan are truly dire. Apart from effort it would be hard to take any positives from that performance. Without O'Loughlin & Green they lack any class. I have always maintained Smith, Mossop, & McIlorum are extremely ordinary players who have nothing to add unless a team is dominating. Farrell is not big enough & his usual mental strength seems to have disappeared up his own anus, along with that of the talented J Jomkins. And just how L Tomkins get a SL gig? It shows what a remarkable job Maguire did with them.