Because they werent tries.

To save my time I'm going to try and ignore those posters too stupid to understand rugby league.

The Ablett incident deserved a sin-binning as it was a professional foul on the back of Sheriffe making a monkey out of several Leeds defenders. Sin binnings usual occur on the back of repeated infringements (not the case here) or a professional foul where the defence is in disarray. I'd have been absolutely amazed if what Ablett did hadn't resulted in a 10 minute rest.

Just listen to it on TV, the ref called held about four times before the ball was ripped. Whether he was actually held or not becomes irrelevant as Newton would happily let it be ripped after hearing the call, ie he wouldn't have let it get stolen otherwise.

I suggest buying a rule book. And then get someone to read it.

Did you have the same view when we did them @ MM the other year?

Worst refereeing ever ?

Clearly this person has never seen ...

Stan Wall - Yes that wizend old man that carries the kit for the Scousers used to be a full paid up Leeds hater

Robin Whitfield - A man who used to revel in winding up the South Stand ... Anyone remember his contrived 46-all draw ?

Fred Lindop - Wakefield's answer to Darth Vader. The Lord Of The Sith's career came on leaps & bounds after taking Fred's self-improvement course.

John Holdsworth - Coming from Kippax (with a Leeds post code) meant that John avoided his 'home town team' (Cas). A referee who couldn't fail to hide his delight after effecitvely ending a player's career, nothing to worry about then, because the player concerned was in blue & amber.

Don't worry, there are plenty of contenders for that title !

regarding the decision to disallow mcguires try at the end, people on here saying it went forward off of jjbs hand, the video ref cant disallow a try for a forward pass although he clearly did, you could argue it was a knock on but with the ball not touching the ground for me it shouldnt of been disallowed, when does a pass not become a pass? the rules on this need clearing up

It was Karma. Lets face it..we had it coming after the robbery at MM.

Its better now rather than later......

Ian Smith was near perfect last night. He refered anything suspect to the video ref and was proven correct. Best ref performance i've seen for years and should be applauded. The only bad decision he made was allowing the Leeds try that was forward. If you read the rules you'll see that every decision made was the correct one that you're calling wrong.

I must admit the same thought crossed my mind at full time



As for my two-peneth...

While I've not read the all of the other 80 or so pages on yesterday's refereeing but I'm a bit bemused why we don't seem to be able to discuss the decisions can't just be discussed rationally. At the very least they were interesting talking points.

I've no problem with yesterdays result (so this isn't a moan)...as far as I'm concerned games like that make League the best sport to watch - if that means my team has to lose now and again I can live with that!

On the JJB one - to me the key question is when is a pass a pass - the flick looked pretty intentional to me (albeit a reflex adjustment when JJB realised he couldn't take the pass)...in which case I'd have thought the momentum rule should have applied and the try stood.

The problem for the video ref is that he can't rule on a forward pass (a poor rule to me but that's another discussion)...therefore he had little option but to give a knock on.

On the Webb one - as many have pointed out technically the decision was correct. However, why isn't this rule normally enforced?

i think you'll find the video ref can call a knock on

Ian Smith is poor............although in fairness it is not his refereeing that made us shocking!! Better team won........they did not make the errors we did.

thats true mate. bradford were still poor with ball in hand. we didnt get the job done

Had a Bradford player done what JJB did I think the consensus on here would have been that it was a dead set, 100% guaranteed, copper bottomed knock on. Just because a Leeds player touched it shouldn't alter that judgement. JJB should have allowed it to pass by him to Sinfield and the try would have stood. He didn't so it was correctly ruled out for a knock on.




Do you have a specific example where this particular rule hasn't been enforced either normally or recently. I'd like to see it so I can build up a sense of injustice.

I agree they played a lot of one up and kept it reasonably tight. We did not create enough to trouble them.

It appears that your head is as empty as the Giants trophy cabinet, now run along.

I'm sorry, but you can't blame that on the ref. Anybody who actually watched the game will know that Leeds were outplayed.

I don't know which is most embarrassing, the clueless exhibition by Smith or the celebration by the Bradford players at the end!! How the once mighty have fallen!!

Both comfortably eclipsed by the wailing on here in the embarrassment stakes, with you leading the charge.

Wouldnt say out played, we were both gash.

I'm a little bit embarrassed how so many fans don't know the rules of the game.

I'm very embarrassed by the reaction of so many fans to the result.

ATEOTD Leeds should have taken the ref, the VR and Bradford out of the equation last night by playing to our strengths.

We didnt, we were gash. Poor discipline combind with a penchant for "one man out" rugby has made us as predictable as booing Ganson when he warms up at HQ.

We have only "turned up" in 1 full games worth of rugby IMHO in first half against wigan, the last 10 mins against Manly and a few isolated patches against other teams.

We were out-enthused by Bradford, out-played by Bradford and out-scored by Bradford end of. There is no " agenda" behind this defeat, no "Sky conspiracy" just hopefully a swift kick in the teeth for the Leeds players who now need to go out and restore our faith by putting together some perfomances worthy of champions.

They celebrated like Saints in the CC, it now appears that beating Leeds is everyone's Cup Final, inferiority complex duly noted, however that is to be expected by Saints, they still live in the shadow of Wigan.

Most supporteres do know the rules, thats why both Bradford tries should have been disallowed.

Newton took JJB out.

Their first was from a forward pass.

Sorry to disappoint, but winning the cup final has been our cup final for the last 3 years.

Shame you couldn't be there.