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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"I will be quoting this post again when the little fella darts through a fatigued Walmsley and Masoe ala OT 2011 before outpacing a desperate LMS on his way to the match winner on friday
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The problem he'll face this time around is that Saints now have a full back who can run and move laterally, rather than a statue.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Those days are long gone the issues he causes in the defensive structure far outweigh the attacking benefits he now brings.
He has been a great player for Leeds but his best days are a distant memory'"
Maybe so. But if he has a place its for games like this. Wigan I wouldn't play him against but I'm not sure the benefit we get by throwing another forward in against that huge saints pack.
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| Burrow offers something a bit different. Used correctly, he can still make an impact. More so than a 4th forward who BMD doesn't trust to bring on
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| I'm nervous about this with the quick turnaround but we were able to give moon and McGuire a week off and peacock only played twenty minutes so those three should be fresh, as should briscoe. I'd definitely have burrow on the bench he can still be very effective against a big tiring pack and like most of our key players rob always turns up on the big occasion. If ward is 100% Id include him at the cost of JJB although if hes not totally fit Id rather he was rested until the super 8s. JJB is an adequate replacement. We have something of an embarrassment of riches when the entire squad (excluding sutcliffe) is fit and available.
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| Doesn't sound particularly convincing for Ward's chances.....
Brian McDermott told a press conference on Monday that Ward still remains a doubt. He commented, "He's 50-50 for this weekend. It's more of a doubt than a positive. But, with the form he's been in and the type of player he is for us, I'm willing to give him until the 11th hour. We're not confident but we won't write him off just yet."
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| Doubt anything he said means anything. Not going to give away team selection before the game.
Just stating that Ward thinks he is ready and that he will be given a chance to prove it.
Personally I don't think he will be risked even if he is 90% there. I would prefer him in if fit but I still think last bench spot will go to Burrow.
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| Quote ="Emagdnim13"Doubt anything he said means anything. Not going to give away team selection before the game.
Just stating that Ward thinks he is ready and that he will be given a chance to prove it.
Personally I don't think he will be risked even if he is 90% there. I would prefer him in if fit but I still think last bench spot will go to Burrow.'"
Despite some suggesting a 4 forward bench I'm certain Burrow will be on the bench. If Ward makes it I'd actually take a guess on Singleton the one to miss out.
Leuluai
Aiton
Peacock
Ablett
Delaney
Cuthbertson
Burrow
Garbutt
JJB
Ward
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| THANK GOD!!!! Ben Thaler is the referee on Friday, the other semi have got Silverwood.
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| [u"IF"[/u Stevie Ward is [u "FULLY"[/u fit then he starts for me and the side Mac will pick will be IMO
Hardaker
Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
Sinfield McGuire
Leuluai Aiton Peacock
Ablett Ward
Cuthbertson
Burrow Delaney Garbutt JJB/Singleton
If Ward isn't fit to play then i reckon Delaney starts in his place
I personally would take a risk and leave Burrow out of the 17 if all of these 18 players are available for selection
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| Ward IS fit. And he's not a bench player. I think we all agree on positions 1-11. 12 Ward 13 Cuthbertson. Bench Bench: Burrow, Delaney, JJB, Garbutt. (Poor Singo)
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| Quote ="The Biffs Back"[u"IF"[/u Stevie Ward is [u "FULLY"[/u fit then he starts for me and the side Mac will pick will be IMO
Hardaker
Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
Sinfield McGuire
Leuluai Aiton Peacock
Ablett Ward
Cuthbertson
Burrow Delaney Garbutt JJB/Singleton
If Ward isn't fit to play then i reckon Delaney starts in his place
I personally would take a risk and leave Burrow out of the 17 if all of these 18 players are available for selection'"
Burrow won't be omitted from the bench (IMO good). As others have stated I suspect it will be (rightly or wrongly) Singleton that is left out. JJB def won't be. Nor Delaney. Maybe Garbutt....but yes probably Singleton.
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| 1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
13. Sinfield
6. McGuire
8. Leuluai
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
12. Ablett
20. Keinhorst
19. Singleton
7. Burrow
15. Delaney
17. Cuthbertson
30. Garbutt
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| Quote ="Worlds Apart"1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
13. Sinfield
6. McGuire
8. Leuluai
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
12. Ablett
20. Keinhorst
19. Singleton
7. Burrow
15. Delaney
17. Cuthbertson
30. Garbutt'"
You really are 'worlds apart' if you think Keinhorst will get selected ahead of JJB (and Ward)
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| I think and hope we go with
1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
13. Sinfield
6. Mcguire
8. Lealuai
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
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| what about keinhorst for the squad. has done well recently and gives cover for the backs and forwards. Some big decisions for mc. but the squad certainly looks strong.
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| if everyones fit keinhorst doesn't get close to the 17
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| Got to be:
Kylie, Aiton, JP
Ablett, Delaney
Cuthbertson
Garbutt, Singleton, Burrow, JJB/Ward
No point in having Ward and JJB on the bench. We need Burrow on there with two props. Its vital against Saints that the props are incontrol for the full 80 and playing all 5 with Cuthbertson at loose would do that.
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| Quote ="Jrrhino"I think and hope we go with
1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
13. Sinfield
6. Mcguire
8. Lealuai
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
14. Ward
12. Ablett
17. Cuthbertson
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11. JJB
19. Singleton
30. Garbutt'"
theres no way he's leaving delaney out of the 17
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| Quote ="rhino phil"theres no way he's leaving delaney out of the 17'"
Must be
1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
13. Sinfield
6. Mcguire
8. Lealuai
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
15. Delaney
12. Ablett
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19. Singleton
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Making sure Ward is fully fit and available for the Super 8s
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| I'm a big fan of Keinhorst but pairing him with Burrow against Catalans did them both no favours for Friday. Missed tackles galore
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| Quote ="ant1"Must be
1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
13. Sinfield
6. Mcguire
8. Lealuai
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
15. Delaney
12. Ablett
17. Cuthbertson
Subs
7. Burrow
11. JJB
19. Singleton
30. Garbutt
Making sure Ward is fully fit and available for the Super 8s'"
It has to be this. When Ward is fit Delaney to the bench and JJB with the kicking tee.
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| Quote ="ant1"Must be
1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
13. Sinfield
6. Mcguire
8. Lealuai
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
15. Delaney
12. Ablett
17. Cuthbertson
Subs
7. Burrow
11. JJB
19. Singleton
30. Garbutt
Making sure Ward is fully fit and available for the Super 8s'"
Formidable looking team that, we're really up against it again - particularly on the edges where leeds have made us look very silly at times this year.
I expect Saints will go:
Quinlan
Dawson
Percival
Turner
Swift
Burns
Walsh
Amor
Roby
Walmsley
Vea
Greenwood
LMS
Masoe
Thompson
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| Fingers crossed Turner continues his obsession with flying up out of the defensive line, although he doesn't have Liam Sutcliffe around to embarrass him this time at least.
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| We haven't played against Quinlan yet have we? From our point of view, defensively, he is the most dangerous player Saints have IMO. I hope we wrap him up.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"These guys are so well conditioned that they seem to be able to return after injury as if nothing has happened. I don't see Ward playing as such a risk so for me Burrow drops out'"
[iJuan Cornetto wrote:[/i
[iJJB did ok on his return and needs the game time. In a knock out semi final it would be a bigger risk to play Ward instead of JJB for this game. If we have a back rower with any injury niggle then play Ward but otherwise bring him back for the super 8s. You have a short memory Sal. Burrow still offers more positives for this game as he demonstrated recently when he provided the magic to save us a point against Wigan until Aiton stupidly gave it away again[/i
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Burrow causes that huge saints pack to think even when he is not on the field in my opinion.
If Burrow has a place at Leeds he has to be playing in games like this. We arent going to go through saints. We don't need to match them in the pack. Our good results against them have come from going around them with offloading, eide passing and wide running and making those big guys move sideways and not back and forth,[/i
Quote ="Sal Paradise"Those days are long gone the issues he causes in the defensive structure far outweigh the attacking benefits he now brings.
He has been a great player for Leeds but his best days are a distant memory'"
[iBiff Tannen wrote:
I will be quoting this post again when the little fella darts through a fatigued Walmsley and Masoe ala OT 2011 before outpacing a desperate LMS on his way to the match winner on friday [/i
Quote ="Sal Paradise"That's 4 years ago - time has moved on sadly.
I hope you are right but I am far from convinced by your optimism'"
Still sticking by this Sal... or did Burrow's great impact in this game finally convince you he can still produce the goods against the best?
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