Can't understand it considering Tony Smith is the messiah and a tactical genius who leaves nothing to chance, particularly when it comes to taking all teams and all games seriously.

Sorry but i disagree with that, the grand final under its present format can allow a loser to be champions. Loser and champions doesn't quite work together in the same sentence.

I'm not saying that whoever wins the grand final doesn't deserve it, its just that if a team wins the grand final and loses a game along the way i don't view them as true champions in the context of the word champions.

Ask 30k Leeds fans which comp they would rather win - a resounding GF everytime - that is the premier comp in this sport in Europe.

I ask again - how did Smith get it so wrong two weeks running when it really mattered?

A champion can only champion in your eyes if they don't lose a game?

Did he get it wrong or were they beaten by better sides on the night?

I wouldn't blame Smith. Huddersfield came out with a fast hard defence and simply didn't let Warrington play and before they knew it they had lost the game. In the 2nd half ist was a good come back from the Wires but I think more to do with Huddersfield taking their foot off the gas. Momentum is so important in the modern game and if you surrender it you can lose points fast.

He had the fire power to beat Saints - who were without either first choice half back and they had home advantage against a side they beat easily three times this year.

His side failed to play to anything like their full potential in either game - whilst the players have to take some of the stick the coach has to also shoulder some of the blame?

He was heralded by the likes of Danny and Gareth as the difference at Wembley when the team performed when they don't?

Did McClennan get it wrong in the CC Final and was he just beaten and out-thought by a more tactically astute and gifted coach on the day? Or did the team just get beaten by a better side on the day?

If comments are anything to go by the team failed to play to McClennan's plan - so a bit of both McClennan should have been able to get the players to deliver and the players should have took heed of the coach's plan. The players thought they knew best - sadly a failed strategy!!

Are you saying that both Brown and Potter out thought Smith? and were more tactically astute?

Tony smith's record in playoff rugby at leeds was.

Played 10 won 4

So far at warrington

Played 2, lost 2.

In total

Played 12, won 4.

When you say that includes 2 grand final wins though, it blows them out of the water.

He's a great coach. But as has been pointed out by Rhinoms. He's not some sort of rl jedi master.

It all came off for warrington in the CC final. It all came off for hudds last night. That's sport.

You need to brush up on your maths.

2004 - P3 W2
2005 - P2 W1
2006 - P1 W0
2007 - P3 W2

Tony Smith's SL Play-Off record:

Pl 11, W 5, D 0, L 6, Pts For 221, Pts Agst 179, (Avg Scr 20-16) 45%

Sequence - Leeds - =#FF0000L W =#0000BFW W =#800000L=#FF0000 L L W =#0000BFW - Warrington - =#FF0000L L

1-0 to Era Of The Biff

lol. It's not a personal contest, though I;m sure era of the biff will be feeling extremley smug behind his keyboard. Such is the attitude of posters on here.

Maybe it's simple his time also?

I'm sorry, that ones gone over my head. Or are you referreing to me saying that I think it's wigan's time?

If so then yeah, maybe it is era of the biff's time. I'm sure he'll be very content and smug behind his keyboard.

And the sky sports subscription thread? Ripping it up. I bet emma's never wanted him more.

Bullseye. See you're not as daft as you look... Some might say you couldn't be but I wouldn't dream of being so cruel.

You've never seen me, sunshine.

I've seen the pictures.

Shows how poor we were at Wembley IMO. We certainly underestimated Warrington and very quickly got knocked off our game plan. I remember thinking then that I'd be amazed if Warrington could consistently play [ithat[/i well and so it has proved to be.

As previously stated, if you can contain their pack you will more than likely beat them; but thats a basic principle of RL which can be applied to virtually all games.

At the end of the day they have silverware to show for the season, and doing a double seems increasingly harder to achieve for any club

What will bug Smith about that first half was the cheap trys they let in.

All avoidable.

His chargers looked rather limp.

I'd hope not, sunshine. Pictures of me have been know to cause a sudden loss of bodily fluid.

Narcissistic tendencies noted.

Don't forget to wipe yourself clean afterwards.

Fortunately I've managed to train my gag reflex.

That's not the reflex you'd need to control.

Could the same not be applied to Warrington over the last two weeks? Take your personal agenda against Smith out of the argument for a moment to think about what your issues are David.