As a Saints fan I would happily swap McDermott for Cunningham.

Having your training ground wiped out isn't an excuse it's a fact and one that no other team has had to deal with.

Nothing changed this season? We've conceded just 34 points compared to 100 points in the opening 3 fixtures but you're probably one of those that only think about attack so that's wasted on you.

That you can't see that improvement because we aren't racking up 40 points a week in attack shows you're the deluded one.

We're only conceding just over 11 points a game so far which is the lowest in the league. Granted only a few games in but for idiots to say no improvement just shows them up for what they they just because our attack isn't clicking yet.

the training ground is the only valid excuse you made.
no structure, no shape nothing. macdermott has never been a good coach. ever.
a great man manager maybe but powell or wane is a coach. we are a shambles and everyone can see it but you

We didn't have structure or shape in 2015 (even with Sinfield) and we won a treble. It may not be a style some on here like but it proved very effective.

fair point, but now we don't have sinfield, in fact we don't have a leader or organiser full stop, you have to have structure.
the attack is non existant. no dummy runners, no set plays, one man plays getting to, sometimes, a kick.

But you're missing the point, At times in 2015 we didn't have Sinfield, and when he did play he didn't actually play that well IN THE REGULAR SEASON games......so no it's actually proof that we don't need this mythical structure/organiser for what we want to do.

so this side doesn't need an organiser.
right. absolute rubbish. never more did a side need an organising half back than this one

Then why did theyblead the league so comfortably throughout 2015 without one who was either absent or playing averagely?

How many league games does anyone recall Sinfield playing well in in 2015?

They always had Sinfield. He might not have being picked in the side that ran out, although that mistake was quite quickly put right, but regardless they always had Sinfield there.

same with JP. on the field he was average but his influence on and off it was immense. this side is rudderless

Very true, and it works best if it comes from the players. I think McDermott has coached the defence pretty well but is winging it in terms of all the other aspects in the hope that leadership and cohesion develop naturally. Which will be fantastic if it works - a far better watch than wigan under wane, say - but will mean more of the same if it doesn't. I reckon he'll be given this season.

I think the off the cuff stuff masked a pretty good structure - plenty of times the ball went along the line until a gap appeared. Also the kicking to the corners or the in goal plenty of tries scored from very structured plays.

What is lacking now is the skill and the ability to read the game - the support play is abysmal as is the ability to execute simple plays. A lot of 2015 was built on Aiton supporting Cuthbertson that will not happen in 2017 because Cuthbertson looks a one season wonder.

Look at the teams Leeds have played - Saints with a very young half back and then two of the weakest sides in the league so you would expect us to not have conceded many points. Also no WCC to distract them which probably impacted the results for games two and three last year.

What is worrying is they have scored less points than they did in the first three games - I didn't think it were possible to have a worse attack than we did last year but it seems we do?

Winning isn't the only reason I attend games I want to be entertained by elite players exhibiting elite skills - that hasn't happened from Leeds for 18 months.

we still haven't worked out how to get the early ball to Watkins. its criminal the way he is under used.
there is no direction on or off the field, that's plain to see.

Then why are you watching super league?

That is a very good question? Its more in hope than anticipation

Its been the same year on year and it seems to be getting worse for all our backs. Iv'e got bored of banging on about it TBH, in a way i wouldn't be that sad to see Watkins move on to the NRL or another top SL team, i would really like to see what he could potentially do in a team that plays with more structure and creates space for the outside backs and playing off halfs that can give him good ball.

Hard to believe I would ever think this but I agree about Watkins. For the sake of the national team I'd be happy to see him go to another club. The alternative would be a radical change to the coaching set up at Leeds, and that simply isn't going to happen.

The England backs saw even less ball than they do at Leeds under Bennett in the recent 4 Nations.

Keinhorst has come in at CENTRE for the previous two games and been one of our best performers both weeks along with being Fans Player of the Year last year.

A question was asked and the quote I used appeared apt.

Even after facturing in a possible successful 2015 McDermott's self life was apparently in sight, yet here we are again.

You know what an apt answer to a question asked of me would've been? If I got the chance of answering it instead of you chipping in with your long held problem with me trying to point score.

HTH

When does Watkins' contract expire?

Dunno, but Leeds' defence was horrible for all three Salford tries.

No-one can stop you answering the question ..... only you can do that. People will note you've chosen not to in this instance and no doubt will draw their own conclusions as to why.

The comment I felt fairly indicated your opinion late 2014 (the sentiment expressed on more than one occasion IIRC) even facturing in a successful 2015 his time at Leeds should have been up.

I wasn't trying to point score when I asked, I was just genuinely intrigued as to your thoughts on his shelf life and current effectiveness etc.