Keinhorst is indicative of current playing standards in SL.

He wouldn't have got anywhere near a gig in SL a decade ago.

I do agree with most here though.

He has earned his first team Rhinos spot on merit.

He will have done just not at Leeds or another of the teams near the top spots. Let's look past Leeds, Saints, Bradford etc. and not pretend that every SL team was full of quality

A decade ago, Castleford were relegated.

Their first team consisted of the following:
Danny Nutley
Willie Manu
Richard Fa'aoso
Ben Roarty
Ryan McGoldrick
Brad Davis
Gray Viane
Danny Sculthorpe
Keith Mason
Danny Brough
Danny Ward
Deon Bird
Michael Shenton
Michael Platt
Andrew Henderson
Damien Blanch
Luke Dyer
Craig Huby
Waine Pryce
Peter Lupton
Richard Fletcher

Thanks for proving my point.

You're living in cloud-cuckoo land.

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I don't see Keinhorst getting a gig in either of those two teams back in 2006.

disagree, only shenton at centre and solomona second row are better players theothers Kevin henderson, get lost danny ward as a second row no chance. keinhorst solid super league jobbing squad player, fit in at any club super league era except maybe us saints Bradford at the peak years.

Keinhorst for England



Does he qualify?

Sal was right earlier.

People keep telling me you're very intelligent when it comes to RL but then you post something like that and it becomes harder and harder to believe. Those Wakefield centres, Ward at 2nd row. A number of the better players there like Shenton only very young versions of themselves in 2006.

Your insistence that Keinhorst is better than bang average is duly noted, as is your usual descent into ad hominem responses when your views are challenged.

Wow!

Keinhorst is that good, eh?

My view wasn't really challenged when the response was that James Evans, Kevin Henderson and Ryan McGoldrick are much better centres than Keinhorst.

Both Evans and McGoldrick were better players than Keinhorst is now.

Evans opitomised average & McGoldrick at his best was still inconsistent hardly Newlove & Senior!!
Keinhorst may not be an all time SL great but he's proving his worth getting better ,more consistent & still has years ahead of him.

I like Jimmy. Tackles hard, always gives 100% and is Leeds through and through. Might not be a world beater but we could do with a few more from the same mould IMO.

Keinhorst is the least of our worries given he'll be a squad player at best.

Golding as our first choice FB is far more worrying IMO.

Did Mcgoldrick play much centre? Seem to remember him more as a fullback or emergency half.

Evans I remember being pretty good, but I might be remember him at Bradford rather than Cas.

I don't see what the argument is. Jimmy is a decent player, he'll start if someone gets injured and not let anyone down. I also think that he is the best wingers centre in our squad. It doesn't make him Keith Senior, doesn't mean he's dross either.

I'd go so far as to say if he'd have come through our team a fair few years earlier he could have made our 3 shirt his own, given the revolving door we had there after chev.

This ^^^^^^^^

evans wasn't and mcgoldrick was garbage, a total liability

McGoldrick was rocks and diamonds, and significantly more rocks....

Jimmy is a good solid pro. He will be on medium salary is happy to play any role asked and does his best whatever he is asked to do.

Is he a superstar? No and he shouldnt be for the salary and role he has in the squad.

He is a good defender and seems to pop up with a score or 2 here and there.

I think every squad needs German Jimmy types in the squad in this day and age. Cant remember a time when he has ever let Leeds down.

Maybe my expectations of him are lower than others. I expect him to just do a job and he seems to it whenever called upon.

I don't think anybody thinks he could displace the likes of Senior or Lyon 10 years ago......but the suggestion that the league from top to BOTTOM was of too high a quality he couldn't have gotten a gig anywhere is just plain agenda ridiculous from the usual suspects.

The summers were longer back then weren't they?

Do you remember space hoppers?



The top super league teams have gotten worse for sure but if anything the bottom half of the table is stronger than it was back then

Bizarre argument if anyone is comparing a player not expected to be in the top 13 except when injuries hit to first choices from whatever era. Keinhorst isn't as good as Watkins or Moon either. Players like Keinhorst would have been comfortable around most first team squads over the whole of SL. Starting? No - but he isn't expected to for Leeds either.

It would be just as valid to ask why the likes of Mark Massa or Norman Francis weren't as good as Briscoe or Hall. And just as daft.

So, everyone agrees that Keinhorst is a valuable member of the squad.

The differences of opinion are...

1) He's bang average but a useful squad player who hasn't let the team down and out-performed many other players in the squad last season.

2) He's miles better than bang average, in fact, apart from the Top SL clubs like Saints, Leeds and Bradford at their very SL best, he'd walk into any SL team because he's better than the vast majority of all first choice centres or second rowers at other SL clubs throughout the entire SL era .

I'm pleased we've finally established where these differences of opinion exist regarding a current squad player and filler-in at a club who finished 9th last season and relegated to the Middle 8's, a player who made the most of his opportunities when better players were absent.