At least there’s no chance of any big scores against poor opposition papering over any cracks, there’s no doubting that the majority of them are way off being good enough.

He did, because the try came created from his break. Poor Widnes defence like, it still all the same. Terrible match to watch.

Thank god for that, performance aside, the weekend couldnt of gone any better for us. New coach announced, who most seem to be happy with, our much needed win and Toronto and Toulouse losing.

So Sutcliffe kicks a 40-20 and makes the break for the match winning try, but is still the RLfans scapegoat for our dreadful season.

Sutcliffe is just 1 of many scapegoats.

2 points at halifax and the best points diff and we will be 3rd after 7 games.

Anyone have even a remotley good game for us?

Walker was good, looked dangerous, peteru ran hard and thats your lot

Oh god what's it going to take to turn this team round ? It's every game we play they play rubbish ,

They looked nervous today, it was a game where neither side wanted to play in fear of messing up hopefully they can kick on a bit one good performance next week should do it

Vile again today. Completely stinking the place out. This is as bad as 86/87. Then again thankful for the 2 points.

It could be worse, we could have lost (is it 24?) games in a row. Wow, is that a Super League record (although not all against Super League teams)

Just got back, and I can’t honesty say anyone looked good. Both teams looked like relegation fodder players.

Although I suppose it depends what perspective you look at it from. If I was been fair, then I would say for the job he is in for and his place in the pecking order, that Crosby is quite solid and puts in a decent shift, just not above that stature.

He's a damn site better player than Mullally will ever be IMO

Absolutely agree. If he a couple of powerhouses around him, he would carry out a very good role. Just not as one of the powerhouses.

I would give Crosby a contract, I think hes a decent player who is looking to put the last few horrible years hes had behind him.

I also think Thompson bar his opening defences ve effort at Salford has gone OK, he actually seems to punch above his weight, but id only give him s contract if its a low paid one.

What does Thompson offer that Cameron Smith wouldn’t?

IF we are signing starting players, or even for the 17, they need to be better quality than Thompson.

Cameron Smith will not be threatened by Thompson IMO as I think that Thompson will be a squad player and not a starting player
Who would you rather have in your squad Thompson or Ormandroyd ?
I would rather have Thompson within our salary cap without a doubt

If it’s that choice, between Thompson or someone like Ormondroyd, then probably Thompson, but he would have to be on the same wages, which I’d estimate would be 30-35k.

We should be capable of producing the Thompson quality of player each year from within, it’s the better ones that should be more of a challenge.

We have got numerous juniors in the U16's and U19's that will be far better first team players than projects like Ormandroyd
IMO Thompson is a 2 year plan until these kids are established and fully ready for regular appearances each week

I agree, quite like Crosby. Id much rather have Crosby and Thompson instead of Ormndroyd, Walters and Mullally, if we could get them 2 signed up for the same wages as the other 3 combined id consider that an improved squad. Would open up a first team squad number for someone like Trout aswel.

We desperately need a few starting quality players but we cant ignore the absolute rubbish we'v got further down the squad either, Crosby and Thompson would be much better options than the 3 mentioned for squad places 20 and below.

That's where I'd see both Crosby and Thompson over the next year or so - displacing some of the utter garbage in the squad but themselves getting displaced when better kids come along. Crosby could be a solid first 17 player beyond that perhaps.

In any event I think we've seen that whilst we haven't got enough quality in our first 17, some of the squad players really are dire. Whilst getting the first 17 is a priority, injuries will happen and we need better squad players as well. It will certainly be interesting to see what happens once Furner gets in.

So, it has been mentioned the defence looked to have improved. I have to say at the match, certainly the defence on our line looked much better. I mentioned this last week when people were complaining, statistically our defence last week was one of best of the year, the missed tackles were lower than we had done. Well this week we were back to plus 30 at 33 missed tackles, which to be frank is very poor.

On the subject of Thompson, I for one was quite glad to give him an opportunity, due to his hard work and efforts. But is that 3 matches now? And in two of them his defence has been woeful. Another 9 missed tackles from him yesterday, and although he put the effort in carrying the ball (and maybe an excuse for missing some from fatigue) he didn’t exactly make high metres per carry. Just to balance up here, I don’t believe in the limited chances Ormobdroyd had, he missed that many tackles, or even close.

On another note, this myth around Keinhorst been a good defender, please stop it. He misses tackles most games, and yet again a game for him with quite a few missed tackles. Look at his stats all season, keeps happening.

Widnes were desperate today and so were we, pretty much the end for them, that's unemployment,net or part time rugby for them now. they were always going to be a hard team to beat today like cornered rat.

Completely agree about Keinhorst - you cannot know his effort but he should not be anywhere near an elite RL side not even as a squad filler, the less said about Walters the better. Sutcliffe is an enigma - nearly cost us the game yet his run at the end sealed the game.