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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"Some clever little bits of game-planning off the training pitch last night.
The little scoot blind side then turn it back in to the player who had just played the ball caught out Wigan's aggressive marker defence a couple of times. Both markers set off after the dummy half, leaving a gap back behind the ruck.
Anyone clarify what the ruling is on the tackle being completed on a grounded player? Thought Hall's momentum had stopped when Tomkins completed the ball steal, which would have made it illegal?'"
I use that move time and again in touch rugby. The hole is so big even a fat, near 50 year old like me can run through it.
Thought Hall was clearly tackled. Ball carrying arm does not have to touch the ground for the tackle to be complete.
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| Quote DHM="DHM"I use that move time and again in touch rugby. The hole is so big even a fat, near 50 year old like me can run through it.
Thought Hall was clearly tackled. Ball carrying arm does not have to touch the ground for the tackle to be complete.'"
I thought it was fine. It appeared to be done in one motion with Tomkins getting his arms round the ball and then twisting his body to rip the ball away. Certainly before there was any call that he was "held". IMO a smart piece of play. I just thought that Hall was unlucky that the ball didn't bounce up because if he'd been able to run onto it no one would have touched him.
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| Quote AJC="AJC"Ooops, of course! There's been that many
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I had only just got up when I read that.Ive been scratching my head supping my coffee.Thanks Eagle for the correction 
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| Long time reader, first time poster, so here's my two penneth. I though Leeds were excellent last night, and it didn't really look like anyone had a bad game (even though Achurch and Sutty had limited gametime at the back end, they showed a lot of enthusiasm).
In terms of our standout performers, JP, Ablett and Hall were all exceptional, and were making a good amount of yardage in the tackle every time they had the ball. JP for me has got to be this year's Man of Steel, Ablett seems to be coming into his prime, and Hall not only ran it in like a forward, but kept Charnley quiet all night, and pretty much showed him up (one of the things I've always thought made Hall an exceptional player is the impact he can have on games even when he's not scoring a bucketload of tries).
But for me, one of the most impressive performances last night cam efrom the young last Singleton. He ran it in with such enthusiasm, crunched Wigan on defense (there was one tackle on Tomkins in particular that shut down all his space and stopped him dead). He looked to have an old head (I keep forgetting he's only 20, given that he's been around the first team for a few years) and included two (?) really neat offloads that led to a couple of near-try scoring opportunities.
I think Leeds laid down a marker last night, and signaled their intent. To completely shut down Wigan for long periods on their home turf (our reading of their attack and defensive structure was one of the highlights) was always going to require a special effort, and Leeds delivered last night.
Very proud.
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| Quote craigizzard="craigizzard"Thought Tomkins was pretty good defensively myself, much better than he used to be, and saved a few tries, made a mess of one bomb but dropped it backwards while the one he let bounce he was probably right to leave 40 yards from his line. The tackle on Hardaker after Hall's pop-up ball was excellent and saved a try, his ball-steal play on Hall was also smart work and a momentum-changer. Don't think he could have done any more in trying to catch BJB with that start, he could have done more to stop Ablett though, but any fullback can be made to look stupid one-on-one.
What you'd worry about more with Tomkins is that, given how good a runner he can be, he NEVER properly took the ball back up after fielding a kick.'"
YEs on that performance, Hardacker made a great shout for the FB spot come the world cup and Hall cemeneted his place, the others can battle it out for the other wing spot
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| Quote Maximillion="Maximillion"YEs on that performance, Hardacker made a great shout for the FB spot come the world cup and Hall cemeneted his place, the others can battle it out for the other wing spot'"
Personally I'd play Hardaker and Hall as the wings with Tomkins at fullback. The option is still there to have Hardaker at fb for the defensive sets and back to the wing with Tomkins as the extra half on attack.
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| last night was a massive step up from anything that we have seen this season,i thought all the returning injured players ran their blood to water
sinny looked like a natural 9 and we looked far more balanced and composed around the ruck area
jp,jjb and abbo were absolutely tremendous up front and murdered the wigan pack
this game and last weeks battle against catalans has set us up nicely for the play offs
Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"You have to wonder at JJB's fitness and sheer inner mental strength, he must have been hurting for long periods in that game yet it never showed. '"
that's what makes jones'y a legend sal and i'm glad that you're finally realising how good he is
that's also the first time i have ever seen you praise jonesy,or not include the words "penalty machine" in regards to him in one of your posts
Quote Sal Paradise="thebloodbath"JJB after about an hour, without going off, he was blowing....hard.
1 play later he was sprinting to get to dummy half...Sinfield got there too and moved the ball. But those little examples of true commitment highlight a players mental attitude.
Legend.'"
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| Quote Jonesy's a Legend="Jonesy's a Legend"last night was a massive step up from anything that we have seen this season,i thought all the returning injured players ran their blood to water
sinny looked like a natural 9 and we looked far more balanced and composed around the ruck area
jp,jjb and abbo were absolutely tremendous up front and murdered the wigan pack
this game and last weeks battle against catalans has set us up nicely for the play offs
that's what makes jones'y a legend sal and i'm glad that you're finally realising how good he is
that's also the first time i have ever seen you praise jonesy,or not include the words "penalty machine" in regards to him in one of your posts
bang on'"
If JJB plays well I will say so if he gives away numerous penalties or has a poor game I will also say so. I know it is hard to accept from your myopic view of matters but those two things do happen.
One thing that can never be questioned is his commitment to his team mates, work rate and his self belief/will to win.
Without doubt one of the key players in the unrivalled success of this team.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"First of all congratulations on the victory, well deserved and Leeds were the better side. I thought Peacock was outstanding and for me should be man of steel.
Just a few points, the forward pass for Thornleys try was never forward but we got the rub of the green with the 40:20 that for me wasn't.
The collision between Hansen and Goulding cost Wigan two substitutions and was a factor later in the match. Also for Leeds second try Scott Taylor was down in back play leaving Wigan a man short in the defensive line. Fair play to Leeds they exploited that space and were well worthy of their win.'"
A fair assessment , the pass was not forward or even a flat pass so the try should have been awarded. In the grand scheme of things it did not affect the result. The best team won.
I would not write of Wigan surely they must have one big game in them,although the loss of O Loughlin is a massive blow. Playing Tompkins at full back is a mystery to me he is one of the best line break players in the league, and whilst he performs well at full back he is wasted in that spot.
With regards to the forward pass I hope to goodness none of the big games to come are decided on a dumbass refereeing decision .
Beware of St. Helens nobody seems to be fancying them to get to old trafford , so there is no pressure on them so they could surprise a few teams.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Just a few points, the forward pass for Thornleys try was never forward but we got the rub of the green with the 40:20 that for me wasn't'"
It was, IMO, because of the 40:22 that Thornley's try (or at least the build up to it) was pinged. Recompense, so to speak, for the blatant earlier fekk-up.
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| It was ironic, the 40-22 was given then they set the scrum outside of the 20
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| Crucial win.
No, really.
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