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| Quote ="Loiner at large"There is a clear lack of leadership throughout the club at all levels from Hetherington downwards. As good as the CEO has been hes not in touch with todays game and to be fair to Smith he was lumbered with a team of back up coaches that were not his own people. Notwithstanding that other than cleansing the squad he has done nothing in the last 18 months personally to convince that he is going to improve performance.This season has to be written off and start planning for next year. The new coach should be allowed to bring a full coaching team with them and let's see if our playing roster is as good as some think as we have minimal scope in our salary cap.
We badly need some leaders in our team and this should be a consideration with our recruitment.'"
He may have cleansed the squad but has he improved it - which players he has brought in would get a game at Wigan, Saints, Catalans or Warrington?
Would Frawley, Miller, Mom, Lisone, Fasitua get a game at any other SL team Cas/London apart?
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| Quote ="christopher"If (or its more likely when) Smith goes that's 4 coaches sacked in 6 years.
That seems tgeres a more deep-rooted problem to me.'"
The Agar appointment was a stop gap and cover over Covid - so not quite the same. Your point is still valid. This is a club that spends all its time looking back not forward - Saints will be same if they continue as they are.
Smith was a poor appointment but perhaps all that was prepared to come over to the club after the Furner debarcle.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"In 45 years of watching this is probably the softest team I've seen turn out for us. We play like a troup of cub scouts. There has to be a change. While the rest of the sport will laugh, the truth is that Rugby League needs Leeds Rhinos to be a lot, lot better than this. Shameful.'"
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| Quote ="Rommel"Riley Lumb where is he? Thought he played well the other week and scored two?'"
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| Definitely lacking in serious leaders this team as someone said above. Needs to be put right in recruitment. I watched cam smiths pre game chat with Rob Oates on Thursday and he fills me with no confidence, he looked awkward and spoke poorly. We’re desperately in need of a JP
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| Thought Sky's highlight of Newman lying on the floor then slowly walking back whilst Saints were celebrating scoring a try highlighted the attitude that seems to be creeping into some Leeds players.
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| Quote ="RogerMoore"Thought Sky's highlight of Newman lying on the floor then slowly walking back whilst Saints were celebrating scoring a try highlighted the attitude that seems to be creeping into some Leeds players.'"
The low point for me was seeing Leeds players laughing and joking with opponents that had hammered them right after the final whistle. Luis Roberts was having a good old laugh and chinwag for a couple of minutes with one particular player, a terrible look for the club and confirmation that a lot of these lads are simply here for a pay cheque. There seems to be no real passion for the club within the majority of this current bunch, and I’ve never seen a more fractured group of players in my life. People talk about “the rebuild” well guess what, this current rebuild needs to be razed to the foundations and started again with a whole new group of players. I won’t be giving another penny to Hetherington till these contracts run down and he gets some players that are invested in the club and the shirt. McDonnell gets a pass, he was the only one that looked like he was hurting last night and prepared to do something about it.
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| Quote ="RogerMoore"Thought Sky's highlight of Newman lying on the floor then slowly walking back whilst Saints were celebrating scoring a try highlighted the attitude that seems to be creeping into some Leeds players.'"
Carrying a head that big is burden - can't be expected to do the hard work. Perhaps his dad will come out and blast Wilkin for highlighting this. Can't show Harry's weaknesses he is a delicate flower.
In the first half claiming a try when he clearly knew it was over the line - trying to cheat the ref!!
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| Not watched the game but don’t need to as seen it all before.
Since march 18 when Brian McD took a side to win at Saints, we have played 18 matches v Saints, won 1 ( last year Blake Austin. Drop goal) and lost 17. No wins at home.
This is long term systemic failure by Hetherington.
We are struggling badly but we have not been able to compete with the best side for a very long time.
The good news is that Saints won’t beat us again until February 2025 at the earliest.
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| Quote ="Sir Gregory ParsloeP"Not watched the game but don’t need to as seen it all before.
Since march 18 when Brian McD took a side to win at Saints, we have played 18 matches v Saints, won 1 ( last year Blake Austin. Drop goal) and lost 17. No wins at home.
This is long term systemic failure by Hetherington.
We are struggling badly but we have not been able to compete with the best side for a very long time.
The good news is that Saints won’t beat us again until February 2025 at the earliest.'"
What do you mean, we’ll meet them in the playoffs and GF
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| Quote ="leeds owl"The low point for me was seeing Leeds players laughing and joking with opponents that had hammered them right after the final whistle. Luis Roberts was having a good old laugh and chinwag for a couple of minutes with one particular player, a terrible look for the club and confirmation that a lot of these lads are simply here for a pay cheque. '"
This is something that I can’t understand, as a player I’d be fuming after any loss and wouldn’t care if my mates are on the other team, I wouldn’t be up for a laugh and a joke. I’d be shaking hands then straight down the tunnel.
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| I think that's a bit harsh on Roberts. I'd say it reflects more on the senior players. They set the tone and the younger guys follow it. Can you imagine JP after that sort of loss? None of the junior players would pal around after a shellacking if he was in the team. We don't have anything like that sort of leadership in the squad, and haven't for years.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"The low point for me was seeing Leeds players laughing and joking with opponents that had hammered them right after the final whistle. Luis Roberts was having a good old laugh and chinwag for a couple of minutes with one particular player, a terrible look for the club and confirmation that a lot of these lads are simply here for a pay cheque. There seems to be no real passion for the club within the majority of this current bunch, and I’ve never seen a more fractured group of players in my life. People talk about “the rebuild” well guess what, this current rebuild needs to be razed to the foundations and started again with a whole new group of players. I won’t be giving another penny to Hetherington till these contracts run down and he gets some players that are invested in the club and the shirt. McDonnell gets a pass, he was the only one that looked like he was hurting last night and prepared to do something about it.'"
Commented that someone would say this when I was watching last night. The simple fact is you can care a lot, be upset but still have a conversation with one of your friends. I can think of hundreds of times where I've been upset and had a laugh with people. The players are human, stop projecting your thoughts onto them and totally misreading the situation.
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| Quote ="MrPotatoHead"Commented that someone would say this when I was watching last night. The simple fact is you can care a lot, be upset but still have a conversation with one of your friends. I can think of hundreds of times where I've been upset and had a laugh with people. The players are human, stop projecting your thoughts onto them and totally misreading the situation.'"
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| Well that was a disgraceful performance and only Handley looked to be putting any effort in.
I would say the same about McDonnell even though he gave penalties away he made a hell of a lot of tackles.
Croft and Ackers look distinctly average in our team and as for Newman I`m still waiting for him to do something and to stop acting like a spoilt brat.
And I was pleased Sky highlighted him still laying down on the turf whilst Saints scored from the gap he left.
A decent coach would drop him for the next game.
Russell and Handley the only backs with any credit from the game.
Sangare, Goudemand, Lisone and Smith wouldn`t look out of place in the London team.
No aggression, no structure, no guts and no game plan, no confidence in their own ability or the coaches ability sums us up.
I reckon if fans voted with their feet like I will do at Headingley in future then Gary who is 5 years past his sell by date might realise where we are heading.
And before anyone says we have Holroyd, Gannon and Bentley missing.
Take a look at how many much better forwards Saints had missing as well as losing their half back and a forward during the game.
Pathetic is an understatement.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"I didn't see that second half coming. Well in the game on 35 mins, then we clock off again and concede right on half time. When we needed to come out firing second half we dished up a garbage 10 minutes and lose the game. It blew out in the end.
You know it's not your year when your on-loan reserve injury cover winger gets injured in the first half hour.'"
Jim saints were all over us and every key indicator was well in their favour 6 12 wasn't an accurate reflection of the balance of the game and it was inevitable.
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| This team is gutless rubble.
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| Quote ="MrPotatoHead"Commented that someone would say this when I was watching last night. The simple fact is you can care a lot, be upset but still have a conversation with one of your friends. I can think of hundreds of times where I've been upset and had a laugh with people. The players are human, stop projecting your thoughts onto them and totally misreading the situation.'"
If people are upset with them laughing and joking with Saints players- Harry Newman is enjoying himself at Wembley today with Jack Welsby
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| Quote ="chapylad"Well that was a disgraceful performance and only Handley looked to be putting any effort in.
I would say the same about McDonnell even though he gave penalties away he made a hell of a lot of tackles.
Croft and Ackers look distinctly average in our team and as for Newman I`m still waiting for him to do something and to stop acting like a spoilt brat.
And I was pleased Sky highlighted him still laying down on the turf whilst Saints scored from the gap he left.
A decent coach would drop him for the next game.
Russell and Handley the only backs with any credit from the game.
Sangare, Goudemand, Lisone and Smith wouldn`t look out of place in the London team.
No aggression, no structure, no guts and no game plan, no confidence in their own ability or the coaches ability sums us up.
I reckon if fans voted with their feet like I will do at Headingley in future then Gary who is 5 years past his sell by date might realise where we are heading.
And before anyone says we have Holroyd, Gannon and Bentley missing.
Take a look at how many much better forwards Saints had missing as well as losing their half back and a forward during the game.
Pathetic is an understatement.'"
Yes we were lucky Knowles and Walmsley (who normally carves us up) were not playing.
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| Quote ="MrPotatoHead"Commented that someone would say this when I was watching last night. The simple fact is you can care a lot, be upset but still have a conversation with one of your friends. I can think of hundreds of times where I've been upset and had a laugh with people. The players are human, stop projecting your thoughts onto them and totally misreading the situation.'"
Are your eyes painted on ? There’s nothing to misread. In the situation we are currently in maybe they should be communicating better with one another rather than giggling like little girls after such an abject performance. Too many of them obviously don’t care enough, and before anyone else says he’s only a young lad, he’s 22 . I don’t think many 12 year olds would have acted like that if they’d got a good tubbing.
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Hope you’re right Chris, but As my Grandad used to say , “I’ll show my ars@ in Woolworths window”
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Are your eyes painted on ? There’s nothing to misread. In the situation we are currently in maybe they should be communicating better with one another rather than giggling like little girls after such an abject performance. Too many of them obviously don’t care enough, and before anyone else says he’s only a young lad, he’s 22 . I don’t think many 12 year olds would have acted like that if they’d got a good tubbing.'"
You're right, 12 year olds would sulk and go down the tunnel. Since they're grown ups they don't do that and just act like normal people. The same nonsense has been levelled at all types of players and all different teams. The simple fact is they're all friends and they act like they are.
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| Quote ="MrPotatoHead"Commented that someone would say this when I was watching last night. The simple fact is you can care a lot, be upset but still have a conversation with one of your friends. I can think of hundreds of times where I've been upset and had a laugh with people. The players are human, stop projecting your thoughts onto them and totally misreading the situation.'"
Be that as it may, the optics of it are simply not good. Laughing and joking after an abject defeat in an under performing season rightly or wrongly doesn’t help how the team is received by the fans.
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| Lumb is injured. Did his ankle in I think. Out for at least a couple of months. I agree, he did play with decent skill level, enthusiasm and commitment
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