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| Quote ="YoRhino"I actually thought on the last few sets we set up the right shape for the drop goal. For me, it was clear they had been coached what to do in those situations (whether we should have attempted one closer to 10 mins to go is another question). Whilst the Sangare knocked on is the obvious error, the more disappointing play was from Oldeski on the play before where he got held up over the line. In those drop goal scenarios teams are aiming for the tackle to be about 10 m out in line with one of the posts, oledski took the drive too far and held up on the play that we had the momentum. The next play we are against a reset defence that out muscles Sangare leading to the knock on.
Overall, I think the table probably reflects where we are as a team. Inconsistent with no standout game changers. The last few weeks I have noticed an improved kicking game and we actually look like we have a short kicking game for the first time in 5 years.'"
The easiest one to go for if we had the brain power was when Oledski was held over the line. He goes back to the 10 to play the ball, HKR are all on the try line, you stand in the pocket 20 yards back from try line, they can’t get anywhere near you.
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| Quote ="Sir Gregory ParsloeP"The easiest one to go for if we had the brain power was when Oledski was held over the line. He goes back to the 10 to play the ball, HKR are all on the try line, you stand in the pocket 20 yards back from try line, they can’t get anywhere near you.'"
Was that when Myler chose to just hoof it into the air? I just don't think drop goals are a part of his skill set. I'd be surprised if he's kicked more than half a dozen in his entire career and even more surprised if he's kicked one to win a game.
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| Quote ="Emagdnim13"We don't deserve to be in the top 6 atm.
It's sad ro say but it's true.'"
I agree wholesale changes in recruitment need to be made Austin and Sezer can't produce its that simple Sangare is a championship player no more with his size he should be ripping teams apart but just not up for it if we loose Bentley we only have one forward who the opposition are looking out for and that's Holroyd who seems to be playing to orders aggression wise and he's just not as effective.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"Was that when Myler chose to just hoof it into the air? I just don't think drop goals are a part of his skill set. I'd be surprised if he's kicked more than half a dozen in his entire career and even more surprised if he's kicked one to win a game.'"
2018 Widnes away in the CC game is the only one I can remember.
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| I've a vague memory of him getting one at headingley - maybe v Catalans?
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| Myler's kicked 2 drop goals - against Widnes in 2018 in a 23-20 win and against Cats in 2019 in a 31-12 win. So only one important one and none since moving to full back. we only scored one all last season and one this (Austin at Sts). It doesn't suggest we particularly train for it.
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| We didn't play well and didn't deserve the win, not that I thought KR deserved it either.
Last couple of games are showing realistically what we are, a lower mid table side. So frustrating as I believe we could be better than that.
So many twists and turns in this season that the top 6 won't be decided until the final week so never write us off making the playoffs.
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| I went to the game on Friday. A pal from work had never been to Headigley so I said I would take him.
I normally sit in the North stand nowadays when I go to games, but I thought I would treat him to the Southstand atmosphere. I stopped standing in the Southstand years ago as I was sick of people going backwards and forwards all the time to the bar. But for one game I thought I would put up with it.
We were late because of a train issue, but still got to the ground with decent time as I knew the SS would be busy because of the rain. Anyhow, we get a pint and go up into the stand. It's busy as I suspected and we find a place to stand. Only to have someone moan and say 'well this is what it's going to be like now they've reduced standing, p!ss heads coming in late'. I turned and told him that it was my first pint of the night, I wasn't late, the player were still warming up and I wasn't obstructing his view nor squeezed in. During the game I tried chatting about the match and he was miserable as sin!
Anyway, the game. We looked shattered. We didn't seem to have any energy. Was that down to the weather? We didn't move the ball quick enough. Our tacking technique was poor. It was constantly going down the middle and we lacked total leadership on the pitch. KR first half better team, second half we had more of the ball but looked clueless.
How the club's social media can come out and call it 'heartbreak' or whatever they saif is laughable. We had prime opportunity to go for a DG and we didn't. Why?
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| thing is, they should have dropped a goal v saints and blew it.
to do it twice is criminal. there is a mountain of experience out there. no excuse
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| We've seen countless times that our 1,6, and 7 really don't take charge often enough. They can all look great when things are going well, but all too often vanish when we need them to drag the team with them. Reality is they are a bottom half of the table spine who don't lead the team well. They are the players who could change the game from one-up rugby, or add structure to sets by demanding the ball and getting others into position, or prep for drop goals. Forwards and outside backs can't make that happen.
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| Leigh done us a big favour today
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| Quote ="christopher"Leigh done us a big favour today'"
They will do us no favours in a fortnight. They will demolish our no hopers.
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| Quote ="christopher"Leigh done us a big favour today'"
Yeah good result. They’re doing fantastically well Leigh fair play to them.
Didn’t get to the game Friday as been away but that was a bad loss against a side this challenge cup semi on the horizon. The mentality of the team seems very volatile this season.
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| Quote ="christopher"Leigh done us a big favour today'"
Looking at it rationally, it seems unlikely that this result will affect much. All the signs point to a season drifting into obscurity. Still hopeful of seeing some good rugby and the odd good result but increasingly the interest seems to be shifting towards who's coming in rather than what the current lot can do.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Looking at it rationally, it seems unlikely that this result will affect much. All the signs point to a season drifting into obscurity. Still hopeful of seeing some good rugby and the odd good result but increasingly the interest seems to be shifting towards who's coming in rather than what the current lot can do.'"
Im not sure I think The Reds losing and keeping it to just 2 points off the 6 is pretty important.
The table is ridiuculously tight this year and any team from 10 upwards can make the playoffs.
Friday was a really bad missed opportunity and there's been too many of those this season, we've lost to Saints, Hull KR by one point, and the two that really stick in the throat are the two to Castleford which we should have been winning.
small margins and all that
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| Disappointing loss, should have learnt from previous drop goal issues earlier in the season.
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| Quote ="christopher"Im not sure I think The Reds losing and keeping it to just 2 points off the 6 is pretty important.
The table is ridiuculously tight this year and any team from 10 upwards can make the playoffs.
Friday was a really bad missed opportunity and there's been too many of those this season, we've lost to Saints, Hull KR by one point, and the two that really stick in the throat are the two to Castleford which we should have been winning.
small margins and all that'"
Could sneak in still, but don’t really deserve to. Any decent team beats KR, considering recent form…..
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| Quote ="christopher"Im not sure I think The Reds losing and keeping it to just 2 points off the 6 is pretty important.
The table is ridiuculously tight this year and any team from 10 upwards can make the playoffs.
Friday was a really bad missed opportunity and there's been too many of those this season, we've lost to Saints, Hull KR by one point, and the two that really stick in the throat are the two to Castleford which we should have been winning.
small margins and all that'"
And the loss to Wakefield.
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| Quote ="chapylad"And the loss to Wakefield.'"
Im not counting that as we were well beaten, it was written in the stars that wakey would win that one
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| Disappointing, underwhelmed and mainly dumb, probably sums up my feelings about Fridays game.
We were completely out-enthused by a KR side with a load of players out and one eye on the semi's so hats off to them for slugging it out and coming away with the win.
This team is just so frustrating with the Jekyll & Hyde performances it puts in. It was back to letting teams go 60/70 meters again and some really poor reads in defence really let us down.
As is becoming the norm now all we can do is hope that a week off and a refresh can inspire us to a decent game at Saints. We move on.
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| Quote ="Leeds_Luke"There is a large digital clock in the East Stand - the stand that Leeds were attacking towards in the second half. They knew how long was left. It appeared they gambled on running the clock down as much as possible to prevent KR from counter attacking.'"
They must have been sat with me in there which is why I couldn't see it. You should have had Brad Dwyer still at Headingly so he could miss-kick a poxy, flapper like against Cas a few years back.
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| Maybe as fans we have to accept the team/squad aren't as good as many think it is. The squad is an 8th/9th quality squad and we are in that position on the table. The squad lacks quality - the projects from the Championship hasn't worked. It could be that Leeds are no longer seen as a quality side that quality players want to join - as fans we have to accept that when we bemoan the quality of the signings. On Friday two of the untouchables on here were poor Handley and Oldeski - Handley was responsible for two of the tries - he seems to me to from the Newman school of believing his own hype - Oldeski is a shadow of the player he was. It doesn't help that neither of these players are playing in a high performance environment that challenges them and they feel their position is a risk if they don't perform. O'Connor has done a good job but would he be starting in any of the top 6 sides?
We must accept this unevenness of performance given the quality put on to the field every week compared to other sides - still should have beaten Wakefield
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"Maybe as fans we have to accept the team/squad aren't as good as many think it is. The squad is an 8th/9th quality squad and we are in that position on the table. The squad lacks quality - the projects from the Championship hasn't worked. It could be that Leeds are no longer seen as a quality side that quality players want to join - as fans we have to accept that when we bemoan the quality of the signings. On Friday two of the untouchables on here were poor Handley and Oldeski - Handley was responsible for two of the tries - he seems to me to from the Newman school of believing his own hype - Oldeski is a shadow of the player he was. It doesn't help that neither of these players are playing in a high performance environment that challenges them and they feel their position is a risk if they don't perform. O'Connor has done a good job but would he be starting in any of the top 6 sides?
We must accept this unevenness of performance given the quality put on to the field every week compared to other sides - still should have beaten Wakefield'"
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| I wouldn't say the Championship players haven't worked - anyone who expected them all to even be starting players was kidding themselves. They were mostly brought in to add depth, except for Macdonald, who was clearly meant to be a starter (and is). McDonnell who has exceeded expectations. Hooley has only been given one shot, Roberts still looks very raw, Sangare has played most games, and really only Olpherts has been a huge letdown compared to what might have been expected. Most of these lads were bargain basement because we had no cap space.
In any event its not these signings who are playing badly far too often. Look no further than the same players who have far better pedigree but can't seem to string more than one good game together. Until we replace some of our current automatic picks in the key positions we'll continue to struggle.
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| Given cap space we had, just finding McDonnell was a good effort, for me he’s one of the first names I’d pick every week I think he’s great.
Sangare added the mass we were lacking even though he needs to tidy up his skill a bit. He’s a big thing and he saps the energy of the opposition even if not always showy.
I don’t think we’re as far off as some think, but I do think this extra 10-20% of performance is very hard to reach. We simply must develop the youth effectively over the next 8 months or so, and we just find the magic sauce in additional quality signings which is some luck as well as good judgement.
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