Totally failing to mention the knee from Ablett that started the whole incident off.

For what it is worth I don't think it was a gouge, but he defiantly targeted Greenwoods eyes with his fingers not only once, but twice when his hand was knocked down.

I also agree that the Tautai penalty reduction is ridiculous what message does that send out, it has always been the same with the RFL, if a team have a big game coming up like a final or a semi you cab guarantee they will do their upmost to ensure they play.

Yeah he cops a knee from an attacker fighting to get up and the defender hanging around, it happens a lot you get that or an elbow.

How can you tell he definitely targeted his eyes btw? If you're going to push someone away in the face you're fingers will be around that region.

Like I said, just handbags that a Wigan fan wants to make more of because of the Tautai issue. If that didn't happen last week you wouldn't be on this board right now trying to make something out of a spat between Ablett and Greenwood. Given its the derby game tonight I'm sure we'll see plenty of similar coming togethers from Wigan and Saints.

He didn't cop an accidental knee, Ablett knew full well what he was doing. If you push someone you do so with the palm of your hand. You do not lead with your fingers. If it had happened once you could maybe think it was an accident in the heat of the moment trying to push him away. The fact that Greenwood pushes his hand away and he goes straight back there leading with his fingers first to me shows he knew what he was doing.

You have an interesting perspective of the incident given you are calling other our out. Ignoring the knee, claiming it was a push to the face. I could turn around and say Tautai hit the thigh then slid to the knee. Even if that was the case it was still a dangerous tackle with poor technique. He deserved 2 games a pro player should know not to go in like that, just like a player at any level should know not to be putting your fingers near any players eyes.

Funny own is all on Ablett, given the penalty was awarded for Greenwood pushing his head into Ablett's head on the floor. Followed when they were standing up Greenwood is the one who leans in first for their head to head rubbing and then puts his forearm into Ablett's face.

This clearly then sets a president in our great game. The first time ever a player has retaliated and been penalised. Jesus!

So Greenwood sticks his head in first and Ablett gives him knees back and it's all Ablett's fault.....LOL your agenda being bitter about the Tautai incident is embarrassing.

Ablett knees him on the floor in the tackle. The stuff that follows is a direct result of that. It is good to see from this thread not all Leeds fans have as much "selective" vision as you.

P.S. Lol? Are you a 13 year old girl?

Quote ="jonh"Ablett knees him on the floor in the tackle. The stuff that follows is a direct result of that. It is good to see from this thread not all Leeds fans have as much "selective" vision as you. P.S. Lol? Are you a 13 year old girl?'" Greenwood puts his head in on Ablett ON THE FLOOR before the knees start, he then does it again standing up. Clear now Einstein? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=klNn_u_iKhc Pause the video at 8:32 and you see clearly Greenwood sticking his head in on Ablett on the floor

Quote ="jonh"Ablett knees him on the floor in the tackle. The stuff that follows is a direct result of that. It is good to see from this thread not all Leeds fans have as much "selective" vision as you. P.S. Lol? Are you a 13 year old girl?'" Greenwood puts his head in on Ablett ON THE FLOOR before the knees start, he then does it again standing up. Clear now Einstein? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=klNn_u_iKhc Pause the video at 8:32 and you see clearly Greenwood sticking his head in on Ablett on the floor

Quote ="ThePrinter"Greenwood puts his head in on Ablett ON THE FLOOR before the knees start, he then does it again standing up. Clear now Einstein? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=klNn_u_iKhc Pause the video at 8:32 and you see clearly Greenwood sticking his head in on Ablett on the floor'" Fair enough but it is hardly something that doesn't go on every week in SL during every match. The knee wasn't great but neither incident would probably have been penalised were it not for the scuffle that followed. It still doesn't take away from the fact Ablett lead with the fingers on 2 occasions whilst "pushing" Greenwood. I hope you don't have kids poor little buggers will be covered in bruises if you take them on the swings! Anyway time to settle down to watch a propper derby. Hope you guys get yours this year in the relegation dog fight, sorry, I mean middle 8's.

Quote ="ThePrinter"Greenwood puts his head in on Ablett ON THE FLOOR before the knees start, he then does it again standing up. Clear now Einstein? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=klNn_u_iKhc Pause the video at 8:32 and you see clearly Greenwood sticking his head in on Ablett on the floor'" Fair enough but it is hardly something that doesn't go on every week in SL during every match. The knee wasn't great but neither incident would probably have been penalised were it not for the scuffle that followed. It still doesn't take away from the fact Ablett lead with the fingers on 2 occasions whilst "pushing" Greenwood. I hope you don't have kids poor little buggers will be covered in bruises if you take them on the swings! Anyway time to settle down to watch a propper derby. Hope you guys get yours this year in the relegation dog fight, sorry, I mean middle 8's.

Whoops. Let yourself go there john, the screen slips and your true agenda shines through. Is that a picture of you in your avatar?

Oh........come on Sts.

Wigan are terrible this year and still challenging for the trophy.

I'm still struggling to see what the agenda is or how that makes putting your fingers in an opponents eyes is acceptable.

As a player there are certain things you don't do. Spitting at the opposition, pulling hair, grabbing genitals, biting or deliberately putting fingers into an oppositions eyes.

pulling hair? oh dear, thuggish behaviour from your new signing then. he's fitting in well

Agree 100% pathetic. I was mid post when it happened. Could have not posted it but acts like that are bang out of order.

Can't defend the indefensible, well that's my thoughts anyway, clearly not the thoughts I of certain poster on here though.

Frank Paul biting Max Wall?

Agreed.

My thoughts? He can f*ck off back to the NRL.

FPN biting, punching, blind sides a guy defending away from the ball.

There is some debate about what Wane coaches and doesn't coach. But what is without doubt is that Wane has big brick hard blokes fired up to the point where their actions a totally reckless without any regard for the consequences.

There is a consequence. It has a significant effect on their ability to pksy rugby.

Of course there is a consiquence! But there is no care factor if they get a ban or knock a blokes head of and he's out for 3 months, or if they brake a leg, or blind side a bloke who is defending.

very true. and they play so much better when they get away from this boring structured stuff

Sorry totally mis-read your post. I see what you mean.

Against Warrington a few weeks ago James Green was headbutted & kicked on the floor he retaliated by punching Jordan Cox. Jordan Cox was also throwing punches although they were fairly feeble ones. The ref awarded Rovers the penalty yet Green got sent off with nothing happening to Cox.......Go Figure that one out. Can only assume that Green was sent off as his punches were of a better calibre.

Reminds me of Adrian Morley being sent off for us against St Helens. I think it was Davidson who threw a punch at Morley, only to be floored by one in response. I'm sure I remember Stevo saying 'If anything, he's being sent off for throwing the better punch!'.

I may be getting that wrong. I'm old now.

no you're not wrong. about 99. after a couple of minutes too

Mozza had a habit of getting sent off early doors - personal favorite was the 12 second early bath against the aussies which wasn't even bad/good enough to get him a ban.

Morley's send-off vs Aus was utterly awful at the time. Utterly hilarious a decade later.