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| Desperate shame that Hardaker is considered the future at Leeds. Ouch.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"The degree of loyalty being shown towards Super League's most infamous F-TB is sickeningly predictable on this forum.'"
But not quite as sickeningly predictable as the huge spike in your post count after a Rhinos' defeat
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Desperate shame that Hardaker is considered the future at Leeds. Ouch.'"
To be fair i think Ward is more considered the future than anyone, but Hardaker is seen as being a big player for us in the future and can still be if he's used and coached correctly. I think everybody knows now that he shouldn't stay in the centres for much longer but the lad is talented i personally thought at the beginning of the season that he should end up in one of the pivot positions like full back because he does have that x-factor about him that would be better suited there.
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| I'd like to see Hardaker at fullback but at the minute he couldn't just slot straight in because Webb plays like an extra half and Hardaker can't even pass to his winger let alone throw cut out passes. Leeds would have to change their whole approach on attack because Hardaker at fullback with McGuire and Sinfield as the halves would mean we are even less creative than we are at the minute. Ward to loose (or Sinfield back to loose with Ward at 6) could potentially allow it to happen. What is Ward's best position? 6 or 13?
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| Stevie Ward is back in the 19 man squad for friday barring any injuries in training this week
I would like to see him start at either 6 or 13 and with Burrow given a start at 7 to see how he takes his chance there rather than just putting Stevie at 7 merely so that he is out on the park
Regardind how they would shape up defensively if all 3 were on the field at the same time.IMO i would have Sinny defending more down the middle than out wide where he is more vulnerable
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| would like to see Chisolm or Keinhorst be given a chance, if anything just too add some pace to the right wing if Bjb isnt fit.
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| Good to hear TBB hopefully he'll continue to show his potential and cement a place in the 17 for the rest of the year.
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| It was stated in the programe for the Wigan game that Ward was about to start his A levels for the next couple of weeks then would start fulltime training with the 1st team squad. That may explain his absence the ladt couple of months.
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| would definitely put ward back into team at 13, and i dont agree with moving zak out of the centres i would move him to right centre then when he does use his very good side step he is taking the ball to his winger an will therefore be easier for him to pass to his winger (BJB) and in turn promote young keinhorst to left centre and allow ablett to move back into the SR and hope webb can get his act together at FB
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| Quote ="bjs16"would definitely put ward back into team at 13, and i dont agree with moving zak out of the centres i would move him to right centre then when he does use his very good side step he is taking the ball to his winger an will therefore be easier for him to pass to his winger (BJB) and in turn promote young keinhorst to left centre and allow ablett to move back into the SR and hope webb can get his act together at FB'"
i'd agree on that line up in the threequarters and let's face it Webb [uIS[/u unlikely to be dropped.
However these changes are not going to solve anything. The forwards are a much more substantial problem.....and the coach's methods and ability to motivate/inspire are the biggest problem of all. If the CEO won't dispense with his services, sack the CEO.
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| ye there is no way mcdermott will drop webb although he should until he learns to keep his mouth shut and start playing the way he can.
in the forwards i have been worried all season with moore and griffin coming in were the most impressive of signing and havent proved me wrong, but he cant change that now all he can do is move bailey back to LF cause i dont think he will bring ward back in for such a big game but bring in singleton instead of moore
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| ...and for remainder of season.
Webb (Hardaker as soon as Watkins is fit again)
BJB
Hardaker
Hall
Chisholm
Ward
McGuire (Burrow)
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McShane for his M.O.M. performance.......oops, sorry, Lunt
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I think [uall[/u would agree that offers a nice blend of youth and experience.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"...and for remainder of season.
Webb (Hardaker as soon as Watkins is fit again)
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McShane for his M.O.M. performance.......oops, sorry, Lunt
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I think [uall[/u would agree that offers a nice blend of youth and experience.
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Yes it does and I'd like to see Chisholm get a start, but to suggest that he (or anyone else for that matter) should be there for the rest of the season on the basis of exactly zero performances is frankly quite ludicrous.
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| Quote ="Chief Stinkwort"Yes it does and I'd like to see Chisholm get a start, but to suggest that he (or anyone else for that matter) should be there for the rest of the season on the basis of exactly zero performances is frankly quite ludicrous.'"
Perhaps I [uwas[/u a little clumsy in my vernacular.....
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| Griffin was always a good player for Huddersfield and he looked fine at the beginning of the season but has been dicked around and not given proper minutes, rather like Burgess last season. He was our best forward vs. the Wigan pack at the JJB so it's a bit mysterious that he doesn't get to have a go at them at HQ, although maybe all the zip and confidence has been coached out of him by now.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"If the CEO won't dispense with his services, sack the CEO.'"
As long as the present owner remains I see no possibility of a change in CEO unless the CEO himself wishes it.
Makes you wonder how much of Leeds' profitability rests on SL performance. My guess is not as much as some 'ordinary fan in the street' might like it to.
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| Quote ="tvoc"As long as the present owner remains I see no possibility of a change in CEO unless the CEO himself wishes it.
Makes you wonder how much of Leeds' profitability rests on SL performance. My guess is not as much as some 'ordinary fan in the street' might like it to.'"
I suspect quite a lot is based on Leeds reaching finals and semis in both the SL and CC and WCC competitions.
Season ticket sales also are a reflection of past success. The worry has to be whether the club can sustain those sales and stay as profitable if the success is not repeated. Bradford certainly couldn't!
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| Quote ="Chief Stinkwort"I suspect quite a lot is based on Leeds reaching finals and semis in both the SL and CC and WCC competitions.
Season ticket sales also are a reflection of past success. The worry has to be whether the club can sustain those sales and stay as profitable if the success is not repeated. Bradford certainly couldn't!'"
South Leeds bandwagoners will be first to jump ship, though it would help facilitate the mass exodus to another brand name if another Yorkshire based club became successful instead.
I haven't forgotten the number of Hull shirts being worn round Miggy and Belle Isle during late 70's and early 80's, nor the Bulls shirts circa late 90's and early 00's. Bulls shirts were also popular apparel round Bramley, Stanningley and Pudsey for a while until the Rhinos bandwagon started looking a bit tasty.
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| BJB
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Smith Watkins when is fit again
Hardaker
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moor
lunt
bailey
jjb
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delaney
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| I guarantee it will be the same old faces, no tactics,poor discipline and a heavy defeat
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| Quote ="tad rhino"I guarantee it will be the same old faces, no tactics,poor discipline and a heavy defeat'"
I don't doubt it....I agree.
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| When you see how badly we are playing at the moment this could be the moment you play yourselves back into the season.
The Wire charity show is in town, donations forthcoming....
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"South Leeds bandwagoners will be first to jump ship, though it would help facilitate the mass exodus to another brand name if another Yorkshire based club became successful instead.
=#FF0000I haven't forgotten the number of Hull shirts being worn round Miggy and Belle Isle during late 70's and early 80's, nor the Bulls shirts circa late 90's and early 00's. Bulls shirts were also popular apparel round Bramley, Stanningley and Pudsey for a while until the Rhinos bandwagon started looking a bit tasty.'"
Well i wasn't old enough to comment on the 70's and 80's Hull shirts but speaking as someone who has lived his whole life around that area i can tell you your Bradford shirts comment is wrong. Of course you'll tell me i'm wrong even though i lived there all that time because no one knows better than Swiftcorn right. I suspect you saw 1 or 2 people wear one, which you still could to this day like any area of Leeds, and exagerrated to try add weight to your view that everything about the Leeds Rhinos club is rubbish in the hope you'll convince people to dislike the club as much as you do.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"... but speaking as someone who has lived his whole life around that area'"
No wonder you've got anger management issues.
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| it's time the change the coach and 1/4 of the team, last years run of wins has just papered ovver the cracks - and nothing but issuing new contracts to older forwards is being done. Everyone else is blooding new team members, except use. Singleton did well earlier in the season, and his reward, dropping down a divsion.
Hardaker needs to learn to pass to Hall a little more, he can not continue to try do it himself - its a team game, - whatching too many Schofield video's me thinks
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